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Re: •Re: Re: Stereotypes about perl

by autarch (Hermit)
on Feb 25, 2004 at 05:13 UTC ( [id://331607]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to •Re: Re: Stereotypes about perl
in thread Stereotypes about perl

Either you have a provable case on this, with objective facts, that can help get that professor fired, or what you're doing is walking around with a chip on your shoulder.

Since when is a provable case with objective facts enough to do anything? Let's see, Rodney King, Amidou Diallo, countless lynched black folks, and so on. Some of those must have had provable cases with objective facts, but that isn't necessarily enough cut through a thick layer of racism.

Maybe if you're a white guy, you can count on objective facts (or maybe not, if the other person has more money/power/friends/etc). And as a white person, I don't think you're in a good position to be telling someone that they have a chip on their shoulder. Lots of non-white people have damn good reasons for believing that they weren't being treated fairly, and to belittle that as "a chip on their shoulder" is incredibly offensive. But you simply cannot walk a mile in those shoes.

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by merlyn (Sage) on Feb 25, 2004 at 16:15 UTC
    By your response, I'm guessing you're either not white, or an extreme liberal, or both.

    Would you at least consider that the truth lies somewhere between the two extremes of:

    • Everything is fair for everyone, and the system sorts it out perfectly (what you think my view is, perhaps), and
    • Everything for minorities is sad and bad, and the white folks just don't get it, and will never understand, and therefore every missed opportunity is absolutely about being the minority and not about any possible other axis of discretion (the view I hear from many minority folks).
    I think the truth is in the middle. Yes, there is discrimination. But to blame every crazy decision on discrimination is to ignore other factors at play even when minority status isn't involved!

    In my years on the planet, I can't tell you how many times decisions and conclusions were reached that were not logical or even evident from the facts. And nearly all of those had nothing to do with minorities. It's just crazy people making decisions. Heck, one of those made me a felon. But do I whine about that? No. Get it, move on.

    So, please understand. I do understand. But just as you shouldn't let anyone make a statement of "minority status is irrelevant here", I too will challenge anyone saying "minority status is the only reason this is broken". Because the truth is somewhere in the middle.

    -- Randal L. Schwartz, Perl hacker
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Re: Re: •Re: Re: Stereotypes about perl
by Jenda (Abbot) on Feb 27, 2004 at 13:43 UTC

    No. Really? In this politicaly correct world someone dared to give a poor black student a worse mark? Un-fsking-believable!

    I'm afraid there are many more black students that got better marks or were accepted to a uni with worse marks, just because the profs were afraid they'll be accused of discrimination. Sometimes it pays of to be a minority. Though only the right one. When it comes to being accepted to a uni the worst thing you can do is to be born asian. (Shame I can't find the statistics just now.)

    Don't see how is this related to Perl though.

    Jenda
    Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code will be a violent psychopath who knows where you live.
       -- Rick Osborne

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