RE: JAPH
by tye (Sage) on Sep 14, 2000 at 19:24 UTC
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"Hacker" is a process, not a destination. Being a Perl Hacker
means that you hack at Perl. It doesn't imply any great
grace at the use of Perl. Usually once you've been a Perl
Hacker for a while, you also aquire quite a bit of Perl
skill.
So you can know almost nothing about Perl when you first
become a Perl Hacker (though usually the decision to hack
Perl comes from a liking of the language which usually
requires some knowledge of it).
-
tye
(Just Another Perl Savant)
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I'm inclined to agree. "Hacker" is somewhat like "artist";
it is sometimes complimentary, sometimes not, depending on
how you use it. I often will identify myself as a hacker,
by which I mean that I do this stuff (primarily) for
enjoyment, and that I identify with the "hacker community".
Certainly not that I'm the baddest coder on my block.
I similarly have no problem calling myself a Perl Hacker.
"Just another Perl Hacker", though, has taken on a more
distinct connotation. While I am literally "just another
Perl hacker", I'm not sure I'm "Just another Perl Hacker",
if you take my meaning. The phrase carries some irony,
being the signatory title of one of the community's
leaders.
It's a judgement call. Personally, I like to append the
title, "Boy Hacker" to my name sometimes... which has its
own pleasant irony, as it suggests youth. ;-)
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It's an old thread, but I'll forever associate JAPH with
the definition of
Hacker as defined in the "The Seven Levels"
As such, until I submit a working patch, JAPH will not be joining
the other alphabetti which might be associated with my name.
CD, reasonably Adept.
Butlerian Jihad now!
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RE: JAPH
by merlyn (Sage) on Sep 14, 2000 at 18:30 UTC
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RE: JAPH (humility and hubris)
by ybiC (Prior) on Sep 14, 2000 at 20:08 UTC
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I'd love to sign with "japh" but don't intend to till after I've posted a reasonable japh obfuscation. Don't hold your breath, it'll be a while {grin}
The phrase "just another Perl hacker" fits better with saint Larry's third virtue of community (humility) than with the third virtue of a programmer (hubris). Dunno if that was intentional, but it makes sense to me.
cheers,
ybiC | [reply] |
RE: JAPH
by extremely (Priest) on Sep 15, 2000 at 03:00 UTC
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A sig is a personal thing, I personally won't ever sign
with a JAPH because it just ain't me. You should pick one
that "feels good" to ya. Don't think you are forced into
JAPH just because that is what the other saints do, find
your own way to spiritual sig bliss.
In my case, I have a nice Certificate from Mark-Jason Dominus from
Perl Conference 2.0 with "Perl Pimp" on it. I beat up Perl
till it does horrible things for me and keep all the money.
Still working on a giant, furry, yellow and green tiger-striped
pimp hat tho. =)
--
$you = new YOU;
honk() if $you->love(perl)
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RE: JAPH
by Rydor (Scribe) on Sep 15, 2000 at 01:26 UTC
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in my opinion, how you sign JAPH gives you the rank, not whether you do it or not. Someone who has
print "Just Another Perl Hacker";
after his or her name is obviously a novice and someone with something so elaborate that all you can distinguish are a few asterisks, well.... are perl saints.
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Yes... a little observed secret that I'll let the monks in on...
The canonical JAPH is:
print "Just another Perl hacker,";
Notice 25 characters, including the comma, and with the first and third words
capitalized.
Accept no imitations.
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But...but...the ; is unnecessary since it's a one-liner! :-)
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RE: JAPH
by Zoogie (Curate) on Sep 15, 2000 at 00:13 UTC
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One of my coworkers had the stated goal of being a "merely
competent" hacker rather than a master hacker. Either way,
if you're interested in the language enough to always play
with the language in new and bizarre ways to achieve your
goal, then there's no shame in calling yourself "another
hacker", even if you're just "merely competent". :-)
- Zoogie | [reply] |
RE: JAPH
by Jouke (Curate) on Sep 14, 2000 at 17:36 UTC
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That's why I sign my postings with 'Adept'...
Jouke Visser, Perl 'Adept'
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Re: JAPH
by Lexicon (Chaplain) on Dec 28, 2000 at 12:33 UTC
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Personally, I never have and probably never will identify myself with a single language like that. I do love the Perl community, but I'm still a Computer Scientist, not a Perl Programmer. ;) | [reply] |
Re: JAPH
by japh (Friar) on Dec 20, 2001 at 13:39 UTC
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i really am just another perl hacker. are you really ozzy osbourne? but seriously, if you can roll your own japh sig then you're fit to display it. | [reply] |
Re: JAPH
by strfry() (Monk) on Oct 25, 2001 at 18:11 UTC
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well, by the 7th definition in foldoc (dict.org) i am 'just another perl hacker' eg: 7. One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming
or circumventing limitations.
but i don't think i'll feel confident enough to sign with "Just another Perl hacker," for quite some time. i will, however, shamelessly admit that i've signed email's with japh/obfu's before, but that was just to irk some friends of mine who haven't seen the Light (8
-- strfry()
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Re: JAPH
by Juerd (Abbot) on Dec 20, 2001 at 14:02 UTC
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