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Re: PM Development Fund (Still trying to decide)

by vroom (His Eminence)
on Mar 27, 2003 at 01:40 UTC ( #246130=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to PM Development Fund

I think at the moment I want to hold a bit on this decision . I need to decide what effect if any this would have on development for the site by pmdev or others. I would like to see the work on the node cache completed and think tye is in a unique position to complete it. However I also like PerlMonks as a grass roots kind of operation. I don't want people to feel like their work isn't important or valued if they haven't been paid for their efforts. I also don't want "who's on the payroll" to define who has power within the community. I like PerlMonks to be a place where everyone has a voice, and everyone has a chance to rise to the top. I don't want to see adding money to the equation, divide people within the community.

If you have thoughts or feelings about this feel free to post below, or privately /msg me or e-mail me.

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Re^2: PM Development Fund (Still trying to decide)
by Coruscate (Sexton) on Mar 27, 2003 at 08:08 UTC

    As far as the entire 'not paying everyone who has put forth effort into the perlmonks engine', I don't believe that such a thing is really necessary. I think the real reason that tye was put forth as the one who should be given a little $$$ is because he is willing to focus entirely on perlmonks, letting even his job fall by the wayside for a short period of time. Sure, others have contributed to the perlmonks codebase, but we are talking about a major project here that only one person appears brave enough to devour :)

    Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not saying that tye is the only contributor around here: he just happens to be one of the most productive and the guy that wants to put the time in to do some really wonderful things. To members of the pmdev group: there is no way in the Monastery Hell that this site would be as great as it is without your efforts. Don't even start to believe that your work goes unnoticed. I'm sure we'd be short a few features and we'd be a little slower without the lot of you. If you want to be paid as well, think of some huge project that would greatly benefit the site and you too may be on the funding-for-<insert name here> list.

    What I am saying is that I support the idea of donations being contributed for a let-tye-take-some-time-off-work-fund. Give me two months and I may have a credit card of my own to throw in a few bucks :). In regards to the whole fund setup, would it be possible to simply allow us to enter a little comment with our donations? That way, little comments such as 'for tye', 'for development', 'for hardware', 'for anything' could be tagged on, so it would be clear as to where each donation should be directed?

    If the above content is missing any vital points or you feel that any of the information is misleading, incorrect or irrelevant, please feel free to downvote the post. At the same time, please reply to this node or /msg me to inform me as to what is wrong with the post, so that I may update the node to the best of my ability.

Re: Re: PM Development Fund (Still trying to decide)
by hagen (Friar) on Mar 27, 2003 at 02:00 UTC
    Thanks for the prompt... I added a little to the pool for the Perl Development fund. But I may be a bit confused - the Perl Development fund seems quite flush with funds and the Perl Monks fund is only in the hundreds of dollars.

    Should I have contributed to the Perl Monks, rather than the Perl Development?

    's OK, I'd just like to know for next time. 8-)

    Cheers and thanks for the great community.


      Sorry for the confusion. The Perl Monks fund is the one place to fund Perl Monks. The Perl fund I believe is for funding general Perl Development grants to Damien, Larry, and company.
Re^2: PM Development Fund (Still trying to decide)
by Aristotle (Chancellor) on Mar 30, 2003 at 22:10 UTC

    I am in pmdev myself. I am also the author of Throw your money at tye!.

    I don't think there's any conflict here - heck, personally I wouldn't want any money for my efforts. Compared to what tye has contributed, they're nothing. I can't speak for every other pmdev here, some of whom have actually contributed a significant amount of work, but I'm fairly certain the others will all say the same - there's no issue of competition here.

    I don't see this as a matter of power either. I'm not proposing tye because he is The Boss, nor am I expecting it to have no impact on his past or future say in monasterial matters.

    I voted for this this on the grounds that he is the one person in a position to take this project on which will benefit the site and its community, and on the grounds that his time is as valuable as anyone else's.

    Much as I'd like to, I don't personally have the ability to offer to the site and community what tye can. The alternative I can take is to support others with the required capabilities in any manner necessary for them to do what I would like to be able to. Whether they accept the offer is at their own discretion.

    In summary, I believe this has no effect on the grassroots nature of the community.

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