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Re^12: "" but true

by 1nickt (Abbot)
on May 15, 2021 at 21:50 UTC ( #11132637=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^11: "" but true
in thread "" but true

"again" what? I called you neither pompous nor an ass. I simply pointed out that you are among the last people who should be harassing Bod or anyone over the quality of their posts.

$ perl xpe.pl --sort_by posts --recent 2 --min_posts 1000 --no_adjust +--order desc +--------------------------------------------------------------------- +-----------------+ | Pos | St. | Monk name | XP | Level | Age | XP/Age | +Posts | XP/Posts | +--------------------------------------------------------------------- +-----------------+ | 1 43 FunkyMonk 35,059 Chancellor (21) 5,136 7.9003 + 1,024 34.2373 | | 2 21 Athanasius 50,601 Archbishop (23) 3,301 17.7395 + 1,964 25.7643 | | 3 32 eyepopslikeam 42,749 Bishop (22) 6,901 7.1690 + 1,716 24.9120 | | 4 51 talexb 29,602 Canon (20) 7,094 4.8296 + 2,172 13.6289 | | 5 59 afoken 27,178 Canon (20) 4,459 7.0544 + 2,046 13.2835 | | 6 22 syphilis 48,484 Bishop (22) 5,595 10.0286 + 3,756 12.9084 | | 7 36 hippo 38,426 Chancellor (21) 3,756 11.8401 + 3,026 12.6986 | | 8 27 kcott 46,190 Bishop (22) 3,888 13.7502 + 3,667 12.5961 | | 9 28 haukex 46,115 Bishop (22) 4,070 13.1128 + 3,666 12.5791 | | 10 70 johngg 24,731 Canon (20) 6,050 4.7308 + 1,978 12.5030 | | 11 25 toolic 46,810 Bishop (22) 5,079 10.6666 + 3,776 12.3967 | | 12 3 Corion 154,211 Pope (28) 7,732 23.0830 +12,597 12.2419 | | 13 10 davido 64,018 Cardinal (24) 6,493 11.4114 + 5,264 12.1615 | | 14 20 Your Mother 50,909 Archbishop (23) 6,616 8.9056 + 4,187 12.1588 | | 15 106 derby 17,749 Abbot (19) 7,690 2.6713 + 1,474 12.0414 | | 16 138 dave_the_m 13,551 Monsignor (18) 6,254 2.5075 + 1,128 12.0133 | | 17 39 roboticus 37,565 Chancellor (21) 5,553 7.8291 + 3,256 11.5372 | | 18 156 dsheroh 12,425 Monsignor (18) 6,952 2.0685 + 1,084 11.4622 | | 19 83 Tux 22,180 Canon (20) 6,808 3.7706 + 1,951 11.3685 | | 20 5 GrandFather 81,496 Saint (26) 5,828 16.1825 + 7,182 11.3473 | | 21 7 merlyn 71,352 Sage (25) 7,689 10.7391 + 6,325 11.2809 | | 22 166 BillKSmith 11,518 Prior (17) 3,358 3.9699 + 1,027 11.2152 | | 23 89 1nickt 21,171 Abbot (19) 2,163 11.3252 + 1,974 10.7249 | | 24 57 bart 27,565 Canon (20) 6,846 4.6600 + 2,645 10.4216 | | 25 130 mr_mischief 14,283 Monsignor (18) 7,375 2.2415 + 1,383 10.3275 | | 26 94 Discipulus 19,364 Abbot (19) 6,911 3.2427 + 1,876 10.3220 | | 27 65 NetWallah 25,120 Canon (20) 6,968 4.1724 + 2,551 9.8471 | | 28 13 chromatic 59,605 Archbishop (23) 7,813 8.8293 + 6,088 9.7906 | | 29 38 Fletch 38,251 Chancellor (21) 7,395 5.9860 + 3,955 9.6716 | | 30 96 kennethk 19,191 Abbot (19) 4,622 4.8056 + 2,014 9.5288 | | 31 11 marto 62,294 Cardinal (24) 6,317 11.4134 + 6,584 9.4614 | | 32 17 choroba 56,175 Archbishop (23) 4,061 16.0091 + 6,000 9.3625 | | 33 170 bliako 11,185 Prior (17) 1,799 7.1948 + 1,228 9.1083 | | 34 26 AnomalousMonk 46,480 Bishop (22) 5,015 10.7257 + 5,115 9.0870 | | 35 110 poj 17,207 Abbot (19) 6,719 2.9639 + 1,939 8.8742 | | 36 116 holli 16,273 Abbot (19) 6,642 2.8356 + 1,842 8.8344 | | 37 112 karlgoethebie 16,794 Abbot (19) 3,116 6.2372 + 1,957 8.5815 | | 38 82 salva 22,355 Canon (20) 5,880 4.4002 + 2,640 8.4678 | | 39 132 jwkrahn 14,263 Monsignor (18) 5,524 2.9881 + 1,687 8.4547 | | 40 69 stevieb 24,974 Canon (20) 4,287 6.7422 + 2,961 8.4343 | | 41 53 jdporter 29,327 Canon (20) 6,925 4.9014 + 3,529 8.3103 | | 42 143 hdb 13,426 Monsignor (18) 2,993 5.1912 + 1,640 8.1866 | | 43 66 tobyink 25,085 Canon (20) 4,416 6.5746 + 3,136 7.9990 | | 44 91 ambrus 20,709 Abbot (19) 6,436 3.7239 + 2,799 7.3987 | | 45 219 QM 8,734 Parson (16) 6,441 1.5694 + 1,199 7.2844 | | 46 8 LanX 68,266 Cardinal (24) 4,637 17.0380 +10,111 6.7517 | | 47 4 ikegami 136,760 Pope (28) 6,122 25.8542 +20,831 6.5652 | | 48 81 Marshall 22,938 Canon (20) 4,523 5.8692 + 3,557 6.4487 | | 49 118 sundialsvc4 16,168 Abbot (19) 4,946 3.7828 + 4,667 3.4643 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------- +-----------------+
(Ranking the Saints by XP Efficiency)


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Re^13: "" but true
by eyepopslikeamosquito (Bishop) on May 16, 2021 at 06:41 UTC

    46 8 LanX 47 4 ikegami 48 81 Marshall 49 118 sundialsvc4

    LanX, I expect you're well-satisfied to make the top 50 ... and proud of being a full three spots ahead of your hero sundialsvc4.

    Sorry, but any list of top 50 all time monks that has eyepopslikeamosquito in third place has no credibility. As if that were not enough, the inexplicable appearance of sundialsvc4 in the top 50 had me checking if the date of the post was early April.

    I was further surprised by the non-appearance of PM legends Erudil and brian_d_foy. While Erudil only made 13 posts, they all garnered over 100 XP, their current node reps being: 793, 667, 415, 373, 320, 225, 211, 210, 205, 159, 144, 116, 104.

    Two more pieces of PM arcana:

      Hi,

      Sorry, but any list of top 50 all time monks that has eyepopslikeamosquito in third place has no credibility.

      The script run posted above deliberately excluded non-active monks and low-posting monks, to produce as close to accurate a picture as possible of those who are here and active now.

      Here are the top 20 plus Lanx and eyepopslikeamosquito, without limit on posts or recent activity:

      $ perl xpe.pl --sort_by posts --order desc --limit 20 --force eyepopsl +ikeamosquito --force LanX +--------------------------------------------------------------------- +-----------------+ | Pos | St. | Monk name | XP | Level | Age | XP/Age | +Posts | XP/Posts | +--------------------------------------------------------------------- +-----------------+ | 1 325 cguevara 6,243 Vicar (15) 5,222 0.8050 + 5 726.4000 | | 2 72 uksza 24,593 Canon (20) 6,099 4.0883 + 45 478.7444 | | 3 95 lepetitalbert 19,350 Abbot (19) 5,682 3.3623 + 80 206.3625 | | 4 176 SankoR 10,732 Prior (17) 5,810 1.5591 + 39 200.6923 | | 5 168 bojinlund 11,373 Prior (17) 3,639 3.0385 + 48 199.0313 | | 6 239 ablanke 8,048 Parson (16) 1,822 4.5319 + 36 198.2500 | | 7 44 roho 34,378 Chancellor (21) 7,054 5.0615 + 180 171.3944 | | 8 30 Perlbotics 44,268 Bishop (22) 5,005 9.6570 + 449 93.0189 | | 9 482 shriken 4,352 Priest (14) 6,217 0.2315 + 15 82.9000 | | 10 24 Gavin 47,608 Bishop (22) 5,548 9.3515 + 626 71.6198 | | 11 100 gryphon 18,353 Abbot (19) 7,592 2.2191 + 221 65.8688 | | 12 71 scorpio17 24,626 Canon (20) 5,202 4.8996 + 339 64.9705 | | 13 62 TStanley 25,760 Canon (20) 7,619 3.3343 + 474 46.3091 | | 14 457 jaredor 4,549 Priest (14) 4,591 0.5680 + 51 44.1863 | | 15 73 hsmyers 24,328 Canon (20) 7,402 3.2253 + 526 39.2148 | | 16 218 bibliophile 8,810 Parson (16) 6,968 0.8846 + 142 37.5070 | | 17 171 ajt 10,948 Prior (17) 7,177 1.1868 + 202 36.4332 | | 18 161 pme 12,231 Monsignor (18) 7,215 1.3832 + 258 33.4244 | | 19 43 FunkyMonk 35,063 Chancellor (21) 5,136 7.3217 + 1,024 31.7334 | | 20 148 dvergin 12,918 Monsignor (18) 7,774 1.3445 + 311 29.0386 | | 27 32 eyepopslikeam 42,756 Bishop (22) 6,902 6.5909 + 1,718 22.8783 | | 110 8 LanX 68,269 Cardinal (24) 4,637 16.4581 +10,112 6.5220 | +--------------------------------------------------------------------- +-----------------+

      I'd be very interested to hear your theory on how such low-posting monks achieved such heights of XP and sainthood. Votebot? Login-bot?


      The way forward always starts with a minimal test.

        I'd be very interested to hear your theory on how such low-posting monks achieved such heights of XP and sainthood. Votebot? Login-bot?

        Sorry, I became so excited on seeing sundialsvc4 breathing down LanX's neck on your top 50 list that I totally missed the point that you and LanX were making, namely that there are a number of non-active/low-posting monks (FunkyMonk, cguevara, and uksza, for example) who appear to be steadily gaining XP by voting regularly, but without ever posting anything.

        I can only see two logical explanations for that:

        1. They are turning up regularly to read and enjoy our many excellent and entertaining PM nodes and voting on them.
        2. They are using some sort of (illegal) votebot.

        I hope it's the former. At least, I don't see any worthwhile (or financial) gain from deploying a votebot.

        I suspect only the gods could answer this question but -- given that "XP is just a game" -- doubt they would spend any time on an investigation. I'm sure they have more important tasks to fill their limited time. Note that very little time was spent investigating the much more serious crime of the bizarre hacking and vandalisation of brian d foy's account and XP back in 2010.

      > and proud of being a full three spots ahead of your hero sundialsvc4.

      Actually I was feeling bad for Ikegami.

      On the other hand ...

      > was further surprised by the non-appearance of PM legends ...

      Look at the parameters, this was designed to show the author much higher than me.

      But there is still a good side, I'm totally impressed by FunkyMonk.

      He stopped posting 9 years ago, but steadily continued climbing the XPs.

      This man is a voting machine. .. xD

      Cheers Rolf
      (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
      Wikisyntax for the Monastery

Re^13: "" but true (how to lie with statistics)
by LanX (Sage) on May 15, 2021 at 22:35 UTC
    Sigh ... since many people tend to believe in such "science", here some background:

    • Going into deeper discussions, like foolishly replying at level 13 (sic) destroys the XP/Post ratio.
    • Coming late to the party too, since the voting average is deflating over the years°

    Here some "alternative" facts: ²

    • Your top 5% posts (98) range between 56 and 31
    • Bod's top 5% posts (23) range between 28 and 15
    • My top 5% posts (506) range between 70 and 28

    Let's put this into relation with your alleged "top-monk" (which I respect nevertheless)

    • FunkyMonk's top 5% posts (54) range between 108 and 38 ³

    But well ... this doesn't prove that I'm not saying foolish things from time to time ...

    So please show me those threads where I stated anything like ...

    > "That really shouldn't be allowed"

    ... without giving plenty of evidence, links and even example code?

    I think I also tend to reply to every new argument without resorting to a cheap "you know I'm kidding"

    According to your "statistic" this should be an easy game ...

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
    Wikisyntax for the Monastery

    °) eyepopslikeamosquito can tell you more about it. Ask yourself, how comes 30% of the top 20 saints haven't been here for years without loosing rank?

    update

    And one also gets XP for voting, which makes it even more complicated.

    ²) NB: this isn't adjusted to the deflation over the years, because that's not easily done. But it was always consensus that "XP is only a game" anyway.

    ³) he barely passed your 1000 posts minimum, because he has only 10% of my volume. But if you look at my 54th best post you'll see a reputation of 40 and his 506th only at 16.

    For more How to Lie with Statistics

      the voting average is deflating over the years
      °) eyepopslikeamosquito can tell you more about it.
      Thanks for the reminder! I'd totally forgotten to update my Best Nodes stats over time for a while. Just updated it now and see the current Best Nodes of the Year range is 40-57.

      While a best node rep of 57 (for Announcing Perl 7) is outstanding, I see the next best node is only 47 ... so we are in danger of the Best Node of Year dropping below 50 for the first time ever! This is an emergency because Announcing Perl 7 expires next month, on June 24 2021.

      Oh, and I see the lowest node at Best Nodes of the Year has never dropped below 40 before, so the two lowest Best Nodes of the Year could also use an upvote or two. ;-)

      I also keep a (scrappy) list of similar nodes at: Re: Perl Monks in numbers?

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