And I can find post after post after post where both of you say something but provide no examples or support as to why what you say is reasonable. But of course since you both are the darlings of Perlmonks, you still get copious up-voting on something which leaves no instruction or enlightenment for posterity and which would have you downvoted in a true academic debate.

Some people aren't here for academic debate. There's an old internet story that likens computer systems to performing maintenance on a running tractor. The new guy comes in, and he has to get advice from the grizzled veteran. The vet has scars all over his body, he's lost an eye, and he's missing two fingers, and a toe, and he's got a nervous tic in his good eye. His advice runs something like "If you put it in first, then let up on the clutch a bit, you can sometimes replace the main oil diverter before it dies completely, but you gotta be fast. Also, be sure to put the chocks on the wheels, or it might run you over."

Now if it were me, I'd listen close to that man, not debate him.
Of course, there are times when such debate does occur, and at different levels. I probably won't be discussing source hacking anytime soon, but will discuss CGI and some database stuff. Sometimes, ain't nobody wanna talk shop.

Sometimes people just aren't interested in your subject.

Sometimes there's no good interface to the audience

Please excuse this frustrated post, but you people neeed to wake up and get out of your bad habits.

Being frustrated is ok, but this fingerpointing that you appear to go through periodically is a little embarassing. I could put it in a lot of different ways, but I honestly don't think people are going to respond well to this, and you may be invalidating yourself through the method you present your argument.