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Re: using slash?
by davorg (Chancellor) on Jan 29, 2003 at 14:54 UTC
    Also I like the idea of journals. use.perl has journals, but we are suppose to be the Perl community site. Shouldn't we also have journals?

    I'm not sure what PerlMonks would gain by having journals. If anyone wants to run a journal they can do so over on use.perl. What would the Perl community gain by having two sites with journals?

    --
    <http://www.dave.org.uk>

    "The first rule of Perl club is you do not talk about Perl club."
    -- Chip Salzenberg

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Re: using slash?
by boo_radley (Parson) on Jan 29, 2003 at 15:02 UTC
    Let's be honest, the real question should be : "Why isn't slashdot running the everything engine?".
    Further, I think it's silly statements like "we are supposed to be the Perl community site. Shouldn't we have foo?" that do more damage than good. Sure it starts with something like journals, but then it's perl fruit baskets, and then something truly ludicrous like perl thong underwear.
    Why change for the sake of change, or going with the popular crowd? I don't think slash would be as ameniable to perlmonks as everything already is.
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Re: using slash?
by chromatic (Archbishop) on Jan 29, 2003 at 17:45 UTC

    It's not using Slash, or Bricolage, or Mason, or twiki because the people who started it were the ones working on Everything. Now Brian from Slashcode has long expressed the desire to implement Everything atop Slash (and I've long believed you could implement Slash atop Everything), but neither of those projects have gone anywhere. (There is a Weblog nodeball, but it's not very advanced.) There's also a Wiki plugin for Slash, but it doesn't do quite what Everything does either.

    (Oh, and I was hacking on and writing about Everything before I hacked on and write about Slash.)

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Re: using slash?
by Mr. Muskrat (Canon) on Jan 29, 2003 at 15:08 UTC

    Why is PM not another Slash site?

    Short answer:
    Slash is simply a news/message board. Everything does Everything!

    Long answer:

    Quoting What is Slash?

    "Slash is a database-driven news and message board, using Perl, Apache and MySQL. It uses persistence through mod_perl for a good speed and efficiency. Slash has all the features and more that you'd ever want in a bulletin-board/message-board system. You can customize it to anything you want, give it any appearance that you want. This can mostly be done via data in the database. Slash is a database beast in the true sense."

    Quoting What is Everything?

    "Everything is an information management system, using a combination MySQL and Perl to create a flexible system of entering, linking, and retrieving information. ... Any time you have information that would be enhanced through easy linking, facile access over a web browser, or would like to build shared meaning for an online community, you should consider the Everything System."

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Re: using slash?
by diotalevi (Canon) on Jan 29, 2003 at 14:55 UTC

    That's kind of odd - to think of SlashCode as a default or something. Everything is perl, if we wrote our own site (not to discount the voodoo already done by tye and the rest of the pmdevils) then it'd be perl as well. If you want to have a journal then you can... on http://use.perl.org.

    I guess I could turn that around and say it'd be silly to change just because some people think that Slash is a default.

    Seeking Green geeks in Minnesota

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Re: using slash?
by PodMaster (Abbot) on Jan 29, 2003 at 15:12 UTC
    When oakbox opened javajunkies, a whole bunch of people asked "Why isn't JJ written in Java, why Perl?" and the reason is simple

    ( TIME AND MONEY ) x 10

    You are completely welcomed to develop a perlmonks clone implemented using Slash, and if it's decent enough, i'm sure the gods wouldn't mind considering running it instead of Everything.

    MJD says you can't just make shit up and expect the computer to know what you mean, retardo!
    ** The Third rule of perl club is a statement of fact: pod is sexy.

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Re: using slash?
by Wysardry (Pilgrim) on Jan 30, 2003 at 01:51 UTC

    Short answer: TMTOWTDI. ;)

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Re: using slash?
by valdez (Monsignor) on Jan 29, 2003 at 15:04 UTC

    Why isn't Slashdot using Everything engine? :) Because they are for different purposes; I'm not sure but it should be possible to have diary nodeballs also here, but we already have them at use.perl, as you said.

    Think about JavaJunkies.org, they are using Everything, is it enough? :))

    Ciao, Valerio

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Re: using slash?
by vek (Prior) on Jan 29, 2003 at 23:23 UTC
    jacques, I agree with davorg regarding the journals. I really don't see what there is to gain by having them here.

    ...but we are suppose to be the Perl community site.

    Perlmonks is part of the Perl community that's for sure but it's not the 'be-all-and-end-all' of the Perl community hence it's not the Perl community site. The Perl community is made up of many other sites and irc/pm_meetings/conferences/usenet/mailing_lists etc...

    -- vek --
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Re: using slash?
by hardburn (Abbot) on Jan 29, 2003 at 15:00 UTC

    I don't know the reasons of the maintainers, but my take on Slash is this: it sucks. Malda is natorious for spaghetti code. I don't know how extensible the moderation system is, but Slashdot's moderation has huge flaws. What is more, the current system works well enough. Making changes is just asking for troubble.

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      Are you referring to Slashcode 2.x? I would agree about Slashcode 1.x, but 2.x was a complete rewrite to use Template Toolkit, and is a much cleaner design (not that I understand it, still).

      -- Randal L. Schwartz, Perl hacker
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        I downloaded Slash 2.2.6 and took a quick gander at Slash.pm.

        I quit reading when I got to this:

        # this is the worst damned warning ever, so SHUT UP ALREADY!
$SIG{__WARN__} = sub { warn @_ unless $_[0] =~ /Use of uninitialized v
+alue/ };

        [download]

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        Slash 2 may be cleaner than Slash 1 design-wise but it still does math worse than I do. Have you ever actually counted the number of comments that get displayed when you change from threshold to threshold on Slashdot? It rarely, if ever, matches the number displayed in the select box. I've also had instances of highly moderated replies being incorrectly reparented.

        --
        Grant me the wisdom to shut my mouth when I don't know what I'm talking about.

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      hardburn, have you taken a peek at Slash 2.x? It's a complete rewrite and much nicer than 1.x.

      -- vek --
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