For the record, nobody actively tried to kill pugs or niecza; they simply suffer from a lack of developers. (A fate that also befell many non-Perl 6 projects; suidperl comes to mind...)

I think suidperl has just proven to be an inherently bad idea that nobody wanted to work on it anymore.

It is surprisingly hard across platform to run a binary file with text input while making sure that the text input remains the same. As this is a security-sensitive topic and it usually requires deeper understanding for each operating system, suidperl was found to be too much of rope to give to people and take the blame for the security holes.

I'm not sure if the idea of "simply bad idea" transfers to the other projects, but I see quite much of CADT development, except that maybe not all of the people are teenagers.

All: The target of Corion's link is well worth the minute or less it'll take to read and highly recommended.

As to "not all of the people are teenagers" -- some of them may be the wet-behind-the-ears new "managers" with their MBAs and not a clue about the topics with which their subordinates are dealing.



Quis custodiet ipsos custodes. Juvenal, Satires

(If I were moderating PM I'd be inclined to just reap this whole thread as it currently exists, plus this comment. YMMV.)

carlosdelrey admitted yesterday on reddit to quite the whopper. Please don't go thinking he's now telling the truth. Below I explain carlos's lie, the context of Jonathan Worthington's comment (which is from Feb 2013), and the plain interpretation of it.

Over the last few days/weeks carlosdelrey has publicly made a couple accusations I considered serious.

First, that Jonathan Worthington is "abusing other people".

Then, when I said the evidence on #perl6 of the last 3 years consistently and comprehensively portrays Jonathan as being as nice as he is smart (first class honors cs degree from cambridge), carlos claimed that Moritz "scrubs the logs after the fact so there's no public record of abuse".

I don't stay on channel 24/7 and keep a personal copy of the log so I investigated to see if this was true. Ultimately carlos admitted he'd lied (or, as he puts it, was "wrong").

(So in fact yes, he indeed ought to apologize, to at least Moritz, myself, and others who may have thought he was not a liar. And not the twisted "apology" he's offered in this thread.)

So what's with the line in this thread's title? This line, from Feb 2013, is the sole angry outburst I've seen from Jonathan in my 3 years of daily #perl6 log watching.

I quoted Jonathan's line on reddit for two reasons:

First, if carlos had any integrity he would admit he was lying or provide evidence to back up his accusation about Moritz. (He admitted he was lying.)

Second, Jonathan's ALL CAPS line is the exception that proves the rule that Jonathan is a nice guy. This line was by far the angriest outburst I'd seen by him and it wasn't "abusing other people" but rather frustration in response to chromatic very publicly insulting Rakudo devs.

So what's with "Rakudo developers admitting they wanted to kill Parrot"? Imo that's carlos's imagination, channeling chromatic. Has anyone upvoting carlos bothered to read the dialog he linked to? Do they understand that Parrot was at a standstill by the time of Jonathan's comment?

Or is it a scheme to keep P6 in the focus?