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On Monkness (mine, anyway)

by scain (Curate)
on Jul 11, 2001 at 17:39 UTC ( #95678=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

Hello Fellow Monks,

Today I am a monk.

I am very proud to be a part of this most excellent communitiy, though I am less proud of the two posts that are most responsible for my attaining this level. The most recent, this node, answering by regurgitating what I had just read a week earlier about job searching, is currently my highest rated node. Why is it the highest? Beats me, other than I happened to be fast on the draw on that one. The other highly rank node I have is this one, a half funny comment about a golf challenge by princepawn. Again, this one is probably highly rated for the main reason that it was mentioned in the ChatterBox.

As a monk, I am quite amazed by the level of things that I still don't know, which I suppose is an argument against what thatguy asked when talking about using his PerlMonk level as qualification of his Perl skills. (I realize that is not exactly what he was asking, but that is a decent paraphrase). I read nodes everyday where, not only did I not know the answer to the question, but I am also baffled by the answer.

So even though today I am a Monk, I am still only an Egg

Thanks for allowing me to be a part of this community,

Edit: chipmunk 2001-07-11

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Re: On Monkness (mine, anyway)
by particle (Vicar) on Jul 11, 2001 at 17:55 UTC
    cheers, scain.

    i upvoted this node because i feel much the same. i became a monk yesterday. remember, xp doesn't matter. are you a different perl programmer today because you're Level 5 on i'm not.

    some of my favorite answers and code samples i've put up on this site have zero or very low ratings, and some silly ones have high ratings. but i know what to search for on my homenode if i want that snippet i used to answer some previous question. and i know i learned how to do that here, at perlmonks.

    without this site, i would program much more poorly in perl today. this community has given me so much, and i'm proud of what i've given back. nevermind the xp, remember the experience.

    you didn't become a monk because of those two posts. you became a monk because it's a natural progression once you're a member of this community for a period of time. every contribution adds to your community experience. think of xp in this way, not as perl experience, but as community experience, in a community where better perl programming is a goal.

    as you are, i'm proud to be a member of this community, and thankful to every other member who has helped increase my knowledge of perl programming.



      What a most excellent way to express it; from now on I can just say "yah, what he said." Like jeffa also said, I very much like this phrase:

      nevermind the xp, remember the experience.
      It sums it up quite well.

      Thanks for the encouraging words,

(jeffa) Re: On Monkness (mine, anyway)
by jeffa (Bishop) on Jul 11, 2001 at 17:54 UTC
    One night at an Irish bar, extremely explained to notsoevil and myself that having a high experience level means that one is good at PerlMonks, not necessarily Perl.

    So, don't worry about experience xp (update: catchy phrase, particle!) and have a good time here while you learn more and more about Perl. I tell all of my friends that the only reason i know what i know about Perl is because i frequent and participate in this community.

    And congradulations, you are a monk because you deserve it. :)


Re: On Monkness (mine, anyway)
by mothra (Hermit) on Jul 11, 2001 at 20:15 UTC
    Perhaps "experience" should be called "popularity" or some such thing. There's absolutely no consistent relationship between experience and Perl skill (eg. not long ago, I had a CB discussion with a bishop who didn't even understand the concept of "server software", having absolutely no idea what a "server" was).

    One can have high experience without even really knowing Perl, and low experience and be an extremely talented hacker. The generally common traits among those with high XP though, are:

    • Good writing skills
    • Pick popular topics that people want to hear about
    • $title =~ /(Linux is great|Windows sucks)/i pretty much guarantees at least 20-30 xp for any given post
    • Good storytellers
    • Their opinions are inline with those of the people reading their posts (do you really think that someone writing a post about how great it's been to have Microsoft fund ActiveState is going to get a lot of votes, compared to one expressing an opinion to the contrary?)

    None of these things (except perhaps writing skills, which are only a very small part of the whole development process) are indicative of skill with any programming language.

    I'm both surprised, and disappointed that the whole topic of "experience" and concerns about "Why did this get downvoted?", "When do you downvote?", "Why do I have high experience even though I barely know Perl", etc. keeps coming up.

    Who are the hackers and who are the XP whores?

Re: On Monkness (mine, anyway)
by xphase_work (Pilgrim) on Jul 11, 2001 at 20:37 UTC
    I think another important thing to remember, in addition to the above posts, is that in order to gain xp by posting code is that you have to post amazing code. Many people vote after a large amount of disscussion has happened, so for your code to get upvoted it has to shine above the rest. Which is not always any easy thing to do.

    If you really want to only get xp for code you post, then just post questions or code examples to SoPW. Also, post to Code Catacombs, Craft and Cool Uses For Perl.

    You are not the first monk who has felt this way, see WebHick and monkeygirl for an example.

    Rather than feeling proud or not proud of reaching level 5, just have fun.


Re: On Monkness (mine, anyway)
by scain (Curate) on Jul 11, 2001 at 21:56 UTC
    It is funny to me that 4 or so hours after I posted this, I finally realized that I meant for this to go in meditations, not discussions.

    Oh well.


      I moved it to Perl Monks Discussion as it had more to do with the site than with Perl.

              - tye (but my friends call me "Tye")
      i think it's funny that a few hours after you posted this, your rep is +24, and mine is +18!


      nevermind the xp, remember the experience.

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