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Re^3: My Myers-Briggs Personality Type Indicator is ...

by jonadab (Parson)
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There are too many tests falling in this category which are just plain crap. However I think the Myers-Briggs test stands out from this pile of crap (eg. the daily bullshit of "what kind of animal would I like to be") since the authors have made serious effort to really measure something.

They may have made an effort, but they're not measuring what they think they're measuring.

In the first place, too many of their questions make unwarranted assumptions, and your answer can only mean anything if the assumption happens to hold true for you. This creates a lot of statistical noise.

Additionally, it's a self-evaluation; if you're going to do that, you might as well just ask the subject "Do you pay more attention to your thoughts or your feelings?" and have done. The answers are going to have more to do with the way people think of themselves than the way they actually are. And I can tell you for free that most people don't think of themselves the way they really are.

But perhaps the biggest problem is that the four continua they chose are highly arbitrary and wouldn't necessarily form a meaningful description of a person's personality even if the results for each continuum were totally accurate. They don't even attempt to measure the stuff that really shapes the way a person thinks, like whether he makes his decisions based on perceived outcome (teleological) or based on some criterion independent of likely outcome (deontological or cetera), whether he believes in per se truth (as opposed to relative truth), or whether he thinks in sounds (verbal/auditory), pictures (visual), abstract concepts, or some other form.

It is my considered opinion that Myers-Briggs is completely useless for any serious purpose.

So yeah, put me down as IDFC.

And yes, I've been given the test a couple of times. I don't remember what the results were, but I do remember that the whole thing was clearly very arbitrary. Am I an introvert, or an extrovert? I don't remember. I'm not really sure the question applies. I have zero anxiety about talking to strangers one-on-one or in small groups, will walk right up to anyone and say hello, have been known to ask personal questions within two minutes of meeting someone, don't at all mind speaking to a large group, even semi-formally (e.g., classroom setting), will willingly make a fool of myself onstage (e.g., clowning), HATE parties, spend almost all of my free time alone, have a small number of very close friends, have no difficulty saying long-term goodbyes even to the closest of them (including family; at age three I had no anxiety at all about spending two weeks away from my parents), live in my parents' basement (literally), and understand both dogs and computers better than I understand people. Does any of this matter, or set me apart from the rest of the population? Meh. None of that is really even an important part of who I am. Fundamentally, they're asking the wrong questions.

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Re^4: My Myers-Briggs Personality Type Indicator is ...
by hardburn (Abbot) on Apr 23, 2010 at 18:35 UTC

    Introvered vs Extroverted is probably the most rock-solid part of MBTI. However, psychologists are using the terms in a very strict sense, removed from the connotations we normally attach to the terms. Specifically, it's if you take your energy from inside or outside. Under this definition, introverts can get along with people just fine. It's just that they tend to get worn out being with groups for long periods of time and have no problem working alone. They may choose to be with people, but have little psychological need to be with people.

    The other three measures I'm less sure about. While people often feel their personality descriptions are very close to how their actual personality, you can get the same effect using cold reading/Barnum Statements. It's not clearly better than fortune telling.

    "There is no shame in being self-taught, only in not trying to learn in the first place." -- Atrus, Myst: The Book of D'ni.

      Introvered vs Extroverted is probably the most rock-solid part of MBTI.

      Interestingly enough, Briggs work was based on Jung's research that lead to Psychological Types, the 6th book in Jung's Collected Works. The book, aside from the definitions, has 10 chapters. The first 9 deal with Introvert versus Extravert, and the 10th deals with how they are affected by the 4 function types.

      However, psychologists are using the terms in a very strict sense, removed from the connotations we normally attach to the terms.

      That's a bit misleading. Psychologists invented those terms, and the connotation we use happen to be the effect usually seen from them. Not all Introverts are shy, and not all Extraverts are bold.

      Specifically, it's if you take your energy from inside or outside.

      That is Keirsey's definition, not Brigg's. Keisey's definition has more to to with practical applications than what it actually is. Jung, who defined the terms as we use them today explained that Extraverts are objective to the world of people and things, (and by extension, subjective to the world of ideas). Introverts are the exactly the opposite.

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