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XP problem

by grizzley (Chaplain)
on Feb 19, 2009 at 16:49 UTC ( #745119=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

I was, for a long time, a Monk in monastery and I was completely happy with it. Not using voting system, writing nothing, trying to stay as monk. But the sad day came and I got promoted to Pilgrim today. What are the options for me to get back? Should I start writing nodes about Viagra or something like this to get downvoted? :)

Monk is good, short and concise. Pilgrim? Eventually I can live with it. But friar? I don't even know what it is and have to search on wikipedia! I don't want to become someone strange to myself :) Yeah, I know that there is, like in life, no possibility to go back, but...

Tell me, that after last level (Pope), there is at least possibility to choose favourite level or Lu-Tze level...

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Re: XP problem
by ELISHEVA (Prior) on Feb 19, 2009 at 20:26 UTC

    Well, this node is reputed to make you lose 5XP each time you press its button: thepen. But I rather like being a pilgrim, so I haven't tried it.

    Best, beth

      It works perfectly, I experienced it. Or rather should I say: I disexperienced it as the experience decreased? :)

      Anyway, Argel assured me that even on Pilgrim level I can be called monk, so I think I won't need thepen anymore.

Re: XP problem
by Argel (Prior) on Feb 20, 2009 at 02:18 UTC
    Bah! Bother us not with such petty concerns as ranks and titles! Rarely do I look at these and even my own have been earned more by posts that contributed to discussions and debates than on my knowledge of Perl. Someone calls you a Pilgrim and therefore you are no longer a Monk? If I call you a fool does that then make you one?? Return to your journey to enlightenment young grasshopper!

    Elda Taluta; Sarks Sark; Ark Arks

      This is truly enlightenment! Now I know which way to go. A monk is a monk regardless of title. Sorry for rousing you and others from Perl meditations. See you in other PM nodes.
Re: XP problem
by Lawliet (Curate) on Feb 19, 2009 at 23:40 UTC

    I, too, share an XP Problem.

    I am currently a Chaplain, and almost a Deacon. I do not even know what those are and I have to search on wikipedia! I hate being someone strange to myself :(. I request that the Gods promote me to Pope. I know what a Pope is and am very familiar with it. Simply particpating in the Monastery and writing helpful nodes will take far too long.

    .oO( It works both ways, right? :P )

    And you didn't even know bears could type.

      It's pretty obvious that vroom appropriated the Popeship (?) - he's about a million XP ahead of BrowserUk, who has 10,000 more writeups. But as vroom's the site founder, I don't think your chances are good... :P

      <evil scheming>... I wonder if we could stage a coup, by all ++ing all of BrowserUk's nodes</evil scheming>

      Update: Interestingly, BrowserUk will soon have enough XP for Popehood, sans coup. Are we headed for a schism????


      That that is is that that is not is not

        Interesting scheme. However, I think it will be vastly improved if, instead of ++ing all of BrowserUK's nodes, we ++ all of Lawliet's nodes. He seems like a very cool and deserving person. :P

        Also, no one will expect Lawliet to overtake the thrown throne (thanks for the spelling lesson, Gavin :P). He is definitely the best candidate for the job.

        And you didn't even know bears could type.

Re: XP problem
by zentara (Archbishop) on Feb 20, 2009 at 12:39 UTC
    XP problem?...... me too, but I didn't give a damn to gripe about it in a post. But now that you have brought it up :-)

    Gripe 1: I used to be a saint around here....then we all demoted back down to various point levels. I'm a Chancellor now...WTF is that? :-)

    Gripe 2: I seem to need more votes to gain a point in XP. I receive days where I get like 40 upvotes on a node, but my XP only goes up 10...or something like that. I stopped counting because it really dosn't matter..... what matters is this is all archived for free somewhere.....we can write things, and have them immortalized in NSA databases all for free.


    I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth My Petition to the Great Cosmic Conciousness

      "I'm a Chancellor now...WTF is that? :-)"

      In the UK it's someone who hasn't a clue how to manage money!

      Probably goes for the rest of the world too at the moment.

      I'm a Chancellor now...WTF is that?

      Wasn't that Palpatine's title before he became Emperor?

      Does this mean we have to worry if there are Sith lords trying to overtake the monastery?

      we can write things, and have them immortalized in NSA databases all for free.

      Don't know whether to laugh or cry.

        Yeah, wait until the NSA smartens up and starts charging people to archive all their posts. Or at least make it a paying service to allow access to your NSA files and say which are public/private. Hey...it's like we all are mini-information stations. :-)

        I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth My Petition to the Great Cosmic Conciousness
Re: XP problem
by Limbic~Region (Chancellor) on Feb 19, 2009 at 23:24 UTC
Re: XP problem
by Aim9b (Monk) on Feb 20, 2009 at 00:30 UTC
    Have you learned nothing over the years, young grasshoppa. I have had to actually stop (OK, cut way back) my voting, just so my points don't imply a level of perl-ness that belies my true "apprentice" knowledge level. Heaven forbid I have to resort to curtailing even my loggin in!!!

    I'm currently at Monk (7) and I have no idea how far from the next level, but I (think) I see folks "expecting" knowledge from me that I just don't have yet. Perhaps a "request to hold XP" is in order for some who wish to catch up to their current "status" in perl-life. Just a thought.

      I think you're missing the point.

      XP is not, and never has been, about knowledge. We don't give out XP based on your perl knowledge. If that were the case, TimToady would be at infinity, merlyn would be somewhere nearby - maybe half or three quarters TimToady's total, chromatic, brian d foy, and even robin and many others would be somewhere close to merlyn, and I would be at less than half my current total.

      XP is about participation. We give out XP for:

      • Using all your votes for the day (for the first few levels).
      • Voting at all (25% of the time)
      • Just showing up (25% of the time)
      • Writing nodes which others deem a positive contribution to the site through their votes in favour.
      We even take away XP for writing nodes which others deem a negative contribution (sometimes - a rate that is variable), or, as of somewhat recently, spending all your time downvoting, both of which is deemed worse than simply not showing up.

      Your level is solely a representation of your participation. It has nothing to do with your perl knowledge and people need to stop confusing the two. Just because I'm in the top 50 of the Saints in our Book does not mean I know more about perl than others lower on the list (or not on the list at all). For example, check TimToady's rank. And just because someone is above me on the list doesn't mean they can't be wrong, either.

      The reason why thinking this way is bad is simple. People who have something to contribute, like you, curtail their own participation. What keeps this site going is participation, and you're curtailing it! Instead, we would prefer you to participate to your fullest (which doesn't necessarily mean checking PM every 5 minutes, either), and let the XP flow as it is intended: as a game that vaguely represents participation, not knowledge. You may even find that you learn more about perl in the process.

        I agree completely that XP is more a measure of participation than of Perl experience. For some time now, I've been thinking of "XP" as "PPP", which stands for "Positive Participation Points". On average, if a monk contributes positively to the site (in the eyes of other monks), his XP value increases, and if contributions are negative, it decreases.

        I also offer myself up as Exhibit B: by week's end, my PerlMonks XP value will exceed that of the author of a well-known Perl book. I am totally not worthy!

        Thank you. I DID, I DID, I truly missed the point. Now that you've clarified it, I'll feel free to vote. I just ++ed you for the explanation. It'll be hard a first, but I think I can dissassociate skill level from "participation". I'm also guilty of associating "answer credibility" with a person's rank. I'll work on this too. Thanks for setting me straight.
Re: XP problem
by Gavin (Bishop) on Feb 19, 2009 at 20:42 UTC
    I'll help you on your way with a -- then!

      I am not sure whether to follow in your tracks and -- to grant the OP's wishes or ++ due to the humor I found in it.

      And you didn't even know bears could type.

        His wish is within your command!

        -- and see

Re: XP problem
by shmem (Chancellor) on Feb 22, 2009 at 15:03 UTC

    A Pope is an Apostle is a Saint is a Sage is a Cardinal is an Archbishop is a Bishop is a Chancellor is a Canon is an Abbot is a Monsignor is a Prior is a Parson is a Vicar is a Priest is a Curate is a Deacon is a Chaplain is a Hermit is a Friar is a Pilgrim is a Monk is a Scribe is a Beadle is a Sexton is an Acolyte is a Novice is an Initiate - we are here to learn.

    So, once you are a Monk, you keep being a Monk, and an Initiate, too. Even BrowserUk sometimes is an Initiate...

Re: XP problem
by mikelieman (Friar) on Feb 19, 2009 at 19:50 UTC
    Lu-Tze++
Re: XP problem
by Bloodnok (Vicar) on Feb 21, 2009 at 14:06 UTC
    I don't quite see your problem - but then again, maybe it's because I know/have heard of (most of) the various ranks designated by his popeness.

    I'm of the opinion that the orders of magnitude difference between himself and the rest of this wonderful enclave ably serves to demonstrate the sense of humour with which he, (the vroom), has been blessed ;-)

    Personally, I use the monastry for 2, related, reasons:

    • to seek enlightenment from both the contributions of and attempting to help, other monks
    • to provide what little enlightenment I can to other monks
    From an XP POV, I find it useful in trying to identify the stuff in which other monks are/maybe interested - the more XP, the more interest ?! Not that that has prevented me from expounding my views on a number of (mostly Windoze related) topics, but as opinions, the XP isn't of any where as much interest on such nodes.

    And as for life after popehood, maybe you should ask BrowserUk about it - once he's finished his meteoric rise to such heights - which, as has been observed elsewhere, might not be that long in arriving ... long live the revolution :D)

    A user level that continues to overstate my experience :-))

      You seem to be confusing reputation and XP. Nodes gain/lose reputation, monks gain/lose XP.

      Reputation is a measure of the degree to which other monks esteem a node and is an indication of its worth to the site. XP is an index of the degree of participation in PerlMonks which may be dominated by XP earned through node contributions, or may be dominated by XP earned through showing up every day and voting.

      Votes cast for nodes influence XP to the extent that up votes may increase the author's XP and down votes may decrease the author's XP so to that extent a node's reputation adjusts an authors XP.


      True laziness is hard work
        TFT GrandFather ,

        Given your most eloquent, but concise, explanation, you may, indeed be right about my confusion - however, given that confusion is (seemingly) exponentially proportional to age, I claim that [age] as my excuse:-)

        I notice that your description of voting (potentially) being a measure of site participation could be misconstrued as incitement to vote (either way) - irrespective of whether one [a vote] is merited or not.

        Personally, I only vote a node up if the node has brought enlightenment to me, I think it might bring enlightenment to others, if it amuses me or if the content annoys me, I'll vote the node down.

        A user level that continues to overstate my experience :-))
Re: XP problem
by ambrus (Abbot) on Feb 22, 2009 at 09:08 UTC

    You can also try to create another user not posting with your old one, and reach Monk with your new user as well. Just remember that the rules say you have to request the gods to connect the two users so you can use only one of them for voting.

      Are the gods smart enough to check ip addresses and cookies? So as to prevent a single individual from having more than one personna, and gaining multiple vote capability? Could I create 100 usernames all with separate voting powers, and actually get away with voting for myself from other personnas? Not that I would, of course. :-)

      I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth My Petition to the Great Cosmic Conciousness

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