I guess being new to perl- i just am a little intimidated putting code in for what i condsider stupid perl tricks to reinforce leaning perl into sopw. Especially when 90% of the time the codelets don't work because of a syntactical error. Semantical errors I would post there- better implementations, more efficient, etc.. Its just at this point i get really happy if it WORKS the way I expected. I have no problem sharing code/snipplets, just at this point i am worried about getting the stuff to work, and then i go back and make it pretty. Thanks,