i rather dislike most modules. i agree that if it is a standard module, like LWP: USE IT!, but if its something off the wall that i just need for one sub-routine im just as likely to write it myself. this is predominatly because i hate downloading and attempting to compile modules, especially when they themselves require other modules... its just tedious and annoying. if i know how to do it myself, i will. charlie schmidt ishamael@themes.org www.diablonet.net/~ishamael/