I hear lots of "Perl 6 sucks", but rarely do I hear the people working on Perl 6 respond.
Given the choice between "work on useful things" and "put up with someone complaining long enough to have the hope of a chance of responding with facts for the possibility of changing that person's mind", I've decided to work on useful things and occasionally respond with "contributions welcome, complaints not."
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An excellent stance to take! Don't change it! :-)
Though, the palpable silence regarding those complaints tends to make Perl 6 seem worse than it is from a community stand point. (Maybe. I'm imagining people complaining about elitism and opaque development practices and what not, but I can't honestly say I've heard that about Perl 6 any more than I've heard it about Perl 5)
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I'm imagining people complaining about elitism and opaque development practices and what not...
If "elitism" means "only those people willing to do something", then that's true.
More seriously, if there are ways to encourage more contributions, I'm very much open to hear them. I've committed to improving the directions to get started with Parrot in the next couple of weeks, and any feedback is welcome.
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Maybe. I'm imagining people complaining about elitism and opaque development practices and what not, but I can't honestly say I've heard that about Perl 6 any more than I've heard it about Perl 5.
Actually, nothing could be more far away from truth. As far as Perl 5 is concerned, whenever I had some idea or consideration about its syntax or semantics I wrote either here or in clpmisc, without much success in general. OTOH I'm confident that p5p wouldn't have been viable anyway because of my lack of technical skills. But for some time before I had to leave it due to severe lack of time, I was in p6l and there I could discuss on the same level as @Larry, without knowing how to write a single effective line of code, and with having no language design specific knowledge at all! And in all this I may even dare to think that at least an evanescent trace of some thought of mine eventually made its way into the language. I never felt insulted for the rebuttal of any idea of mine, but rather kindly explained why so...
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Publicly airing the arguments I see/hear all the time in various forums. I'm interested in what the perl 6 team has to say about it. I hear lots of "Perl 6 sucks", but rarely do I hear the people working on Perl 6 respond. I've been kicking around an idea about doing a "virtual mass interview" and this topic seems relevant given the imminent release of Perl 6 (yes, I believe it is imminent).
Good intent, but FWIW I hear all the time lots of "Perl sucks" comments altogether. I don't mind. They're mostly crackpots and trolls. They do suck. Well, their "arguments" do. Now, perhaps an important point is that "professional" freaks apart, there's one such rascal in any of us. At least some of these people may be nice persons and all, in other respects. You'll notice that there's not a common plot; they range from one extreme to the other: there are those guys who fear Perl is not open source enough, and then there's the one who fears its lack of corporate support. (Incidentally I had begun writing this post yesterday, I'm only finishing it now, and in the meantime he popped up with another gem.)
Now, the question is: does the Perl 6 subject matter really tend to feed the troll residing in otherwise respectable and even enthusiast perl coders of any level up to the point of making it emerge? (Well, I know of at least one world famous Perl hacker who last I heard of still was a strong opponent of Perl 6, but I would consider that a case apart and a story of its own.) Your point seems to suggest it does. This thread is an attempt at verifying whether this is actually the case...
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