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Re^2: Quick feedback option for downvotes

by Rhandom (Curate)
on Mar 14, 2007 at 22:18 UTC ( [id://604908]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


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Thank you. I did try searching but managed to only use "--" for the search term which didn't return as much relevant material as I would have hoped.

So - all of those nodes look to accomplish nearly the same thing. That is great. As always I have been superceded by greater minds.

So then, what has been done, or what consensus has been taken? The most similar node was written in August of 2006. Nothing has happened. Did the idea die because it was a bad idea, or because monks were apathetic to the issue, or because nobody added code or had time to? The system I have proposed would make it unobtrusive to those who don't care, and easy to use for those that do. I'd be very willing to contribute working code, schema, javascript etc. But I won't put the time out if isn't going to be accepted.

Perhaps we need a section of "topics that we have discussed and shouldn't discuss any more" - that would contain topics such as OS choice, templating engine choice, text editor, and now "additional vote comment options."

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Re^3: Quick feedback option for downvotes
by jdporter (Paladin) on Mar 15, 2007 at 19:09 UTC

    I realize those threads, and others they link to in turn, are rather lengthy, so I don't expect you to have read them all exhaustively; but I get the impression you only read the root nodes. If you read the threads, you find that the consensus is opposed to your (and your predecessors') proposition. In particular, it gets virtually no support from the site policy makers and the site programmers, so it should come as no surprise that nothing has been done about it. Update: see tye's response below.

    Perhaps we need a section of "topics...

    That's also not likely to happen. See the FAQ: I think there should be a new Section on PerlMonks for Jobs/Modules/Quizzes/Perl6/Newbies/OffTopic/etc.


    > > > > What we really need is a workable keyword tagging system. We have keywords, but for some reason, the gods consider it to be a security hazard, or something, so it hasn't been enabled for non-special users.

    A word spoken in Mind will reach its own level, in the objective world, by its own weight
      so it should come as no surprise that nothing has been done about it

      The "/msg author" link was added.

      We have keywords, but for some reason, the gods consider it to be a security hazard, or something, so it hasn't been enabled for non-special users.

      Nice unsubstantiated speculation. Feel free to add whatever keywords you want. They aren't disable for non-special users. But they aren't particularly useful either. And I don't know how you imagine keywords can be a security problem. The closest thing to that is the fact that there is no accountability nor reasonable system in place to deal with abuses (which isn't the same as security) so there is nothing to stop me from tagging all of your nodes with whatever abusive term I feel like applying to you and no (easy) way of telling that I was even the one who did it.

      I've seen some proposals to try making keywords more useful but I haven't been convinced that any of them would really work at making them that useful, would deal well with abuses, or would be simple enough to ever get implemented. Unless a proposal is likely to meet all three of those criteria, I don't see much point. Some people have decided to start adding keywords, I believe, even though there is still no real use for them nor solid plans.

      - tye        

        They aren't disable for non-special users. But they aren't particularly useful either.

        Right. To be precise, I should have said, "You can add keywords, but since the one other essential feature — keyword searching — is disabled (for non-special users), they're completely useless."* My mistake.

        Nolo contendere on the appropriateness of the word "security"; what I was referring to was what you described.

        Anyway, it may be that we're a long way off from having a usable keyword system. I still maintain that we need one, whether we get it or not. :-)

        (*In fact, it's possible to build keyword-based capabilities off-site, since the xml rendering of a node includes the node's keywords.)

        A word spoken in Mind will reach its own level, in the objective world, by its own weight
        The "/msg author" link was added.

        Indeed one of the most useful additions, as of late. And, just to make sure: yes, the current mechanisms do work, and well. Yet it seems both from this discussion and other recent ones like mine itself that there is some desire (albeit no compelling necessity) for thingies that are somewhat intermediate in weight and visibility between the evanescent /msg and a full fledged node. Now, if only could think of the nature of such thingies in a way that would fit all of their possible uses...

      Suddenly, I'm very interested in these tags you mention. Is there a place to read about them? Where did you hear about them?

      -Paul

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