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Re: Quick feedback option for downvotes

by jettero (Monsignor)
on Mar 14, 2007 at 21:26 UTC ( [id://604895]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Quick feedback option for downvotes

I think it would be useful to be able to have short spot to give private feedback for why a node was down voted.

It seems to exist and is labled, "Send private /msg to Rhandom." The problem is that nobody uses it. Some fear reciprocity (I suspect) and others are too lazy. Most likely the downvotes come from being incorrect or negative (as in attitude). Grammatical errors can cause it, as well as random down-voters or people who just plain don't like you — hopefully those are rare.

My point is that some people are not trying to be constructive with their votes.

-Paul

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Re^2: Quick feedback option for downvotes
by chromatic (Archbishop) on Mar 15, 2007 at 05:38 UTC

    I use the /msg feature occasionally--probably as often as I downvote (which is rarely).

      I think most people would be very irritated by /msg responses to every downvote actually. Whenever I get downvoted, it's usually pretty clear why it's happening. I can either live with -5 rep (probably the worst of it unless it was a monkdiscuss) or fix it, but the feedback usually isn't necessary.

      I'm with you though. I just don't use downvotes very often. You have to really earn a downvote for me to give it. I think most people are that way because they've felt the sting of the downvote before.

      -Paul

        I think most people would be very irritated by /msg responses to every downvote actually. Whenever I get downvoted, it's usually pretty clear why it's happening. I can either live with -5 rep (probably the worst of it unless it was a monkdiscuss) or fix it, but the feedback usually isn't necessary.

        To me, it's generally not: again, I can live with it. Though in my first days here it would get on my nerves. Well, it still does occasionally: but it really depends on the actual node. For example my most recent one with a negative reputation is one which I saw going up and down before setting on the current -2. I can understand why it is so -although I obviously disagree-: because it is not politically correct. Had it been, I'm sure it would have been better received, yet, if everything were PC all the time world would be a more boring place, so I accept those downvotes gladly - because it had not to be PC.

        OTOH the next most recent downvoted node of mine is one which merely contains technical information, adding to a context where the particular issue had not been mentioned at all. So it's natural to feel like: hey, why that -1 if it adds to knowledge in a manner pertaining to the thread? Well, these are just examples, after all...

        I'm with you though. I just don't use downvotes very often. You have to really earn a downvote for me to give it. I think most people are that way because they've felt the sting of the downvote before.

        As sensible to downvotes as I may have given the impression to be with the above, I must admit, contrary to to what most people profess, that I downvote quite often. In fact my visits to the Monastery often start with Worst Nodes. Why?

        • Sometimes you can find there good nodes that were downvoted for some unexplicable reason, and if I can correct the situation, I will happily spend my votes to do so;
        • most often, the downvoted nodes deserve having been: then I will follow the thread, possibly answering myself if I can add something useful both for the OP and for the others reading it.

        In fact, surprising as it may be, often good threads get out of poorly asked questions, and OTOH following e.g. Best Nodes would form the basis for a bias towards them, possibly obscuring other precious contributions. Anyway I downvote freely and without feeling guilty: it's not the overall brightness (or dimness) that matters, but contrast - as Dan Sugalski put it:

        Professional courtesy is fine and all, but if you're running a project, with volunteer labor or not, sometimes you need to tell people to suck it up and deal.

        Well, here it's not a matter of running a project or of professionalism, but it seems to me that the same principle applies.


        Oh, and when I downvote I generally don't feel compelled to explain why, especially if other people already did or at least gave some clue: no point in further polluting a thread, so in this particular case I agree anyway with the OP that a quick feedback mechanism could be useful... but:

Re^2: Quick feedback option for downvotes
by Rhandom (Curate) on Mar 14, 2007 at 21:32 UTC
    Thank you for your reply.

    Yes, I mention the private message in the chat and also mentioned that though it exists - nobody uses it in this case, or at least infrequently.

    Grammatical errors can cause it, as well as random down-voters or people who just plain don't like you — hopefully those are rare. My point is that some people are not trying to be constructive with their votes.

    I agree. My hope is that those who are trying to be constructive will have a simple (and thus hopefully easy and readily used) way to provide feedback. If it is easy enough to use, then generally those who care about the quality of community would use it. If it succeeds and becomes that way, then it will be a little easier to see if I was downvoted for being stupid - or because somebody else is having a bad day - or because I managed to offend somebody.

    Update: I guess in the same vein it would be useful to have a similar system for ++ votes. Often it is hard to tell if I was up voted for saying something worth while or because somebody was having a good day, or because I replied to a popular node. Those that cared to respond with why they ++ voted would have more merit with me than those that just up vote. I think it provides better feedback to new and old monks alike. But again -- it has to be very simple for it too work.

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