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Re^3: Consideration for obscenity

by eric256 (Parson)
on Feb 04, 2007 at 00:01 UTC ( [id://598132]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^2: Consideration for obscenity
in thread Consideration for obscenity

/me rephrases the answer to the poll as "copulated" and wonders if that is less offensive.


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Re^4: Consideration for obscenity
by BrowserUk (Patriarch) on Feb 04, 2007 at 01:34 UTC

    That's exactly the point I was trying to make in a similar discussion a couple of years ago.

    Why is it that some people will judge the 6 letter arrangement "fucked" as obscene, but the 9 letter arrangement "copulated" as not so?

    And despite the anonymonks attempt to suggest that my expressed confusion was "careless wit", I still do not understand this. I know it to be the case. I know it to be surprisingly common. I even know that when I first heard a recent UK advert for a cold rememdy that referred to "snot", it made me feel uncomfortable--for reasons that I cannot explain. But offended?


    Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
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      Why is it that some people will judge the 6 letter arrangement "fucked" as obscene, but the 9 letter arrangement "copulated" as not so?

      Well, I think that some people will and some won't. How many the former are compared to the latter ones is wholly beyond my understanding and knowledge. However, like all synonyms and unlike in programming languages where e.g. speaking of Perl for and foreach are exactly equivalent, they do not have exactly the same meaning. For one thing, speaking of the verb "to fuck", you can both "fuck someone" and "fuck with someone". Even in this case there are subtle differences, and although I'm not a native English speaker, the former can have negative acceptations. Indeed the verb, and the related noun, can have plenty of negative acceptations, mostly stemming -I suppose- from some prejudice with respect to the passive partner and possibly some implicit reference to nonconsensual sex. OTOH you only "copulate with someone". And, still modulo the imperfection of my knowledge of English, I believe that this verb is used as a technical one in the vast majority of cases and its use outside of technical context is likely to be humorous. For example if I'm dating with a girl, I bet friends at the pub would ask me if "we fucked", not if "we copulated": if they did so, it would be with a humourous intent. Speaking of which, yes: I'm convinced it would have fit better in the post that originated this thread, given that it was an attempt at humour, albeit a poor one. Incidentally, in English you "make love to someone" which somehow puzzles me: in Italian we do have a very similar expression the naive translation of which in English would be "to make love with someone". Even more curiously, in the south of our country they would use a variant that could be rendered as "to make at love with someone". Of course, all this has little to do with Perl, unless you want to consider the TMTOWTDIness of the thing!

        I get where you are trying to go with this, but I do not think that it is applicable.

        In the context of the considered post that started this thread, the word was used either:

        1. entirely on it's own;
        2. or in conjunction with the phrase "I laughed, I cried, I ...".

        So none of the extra qualifications, connotations or implications that you cite apply.

        I do not think that there is any rational explanation for why the 6-letter words is deemed "offensive", but the 9-letter word not, in this context. At best, the offendees are showing a marked lack of discrimination; bordering upon petulance. At worst, they are attempting to foist their will, sensabilities and morality upon the rest of us.

        And the latter is one of the few things that I do find offensive.


        Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
        "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
        In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

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