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Google "related" search bias?

by Anonymous Monk
on Jan 17, 2007 at 02:07 UTC ( [id://595014]=perlmeditation: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

http://www.google.com/search?q=perl
Searches related to: perl
php	 	
perl regular expressions	 	
perl introduction	 	
perl reference	 
perl commands	 	
perl hash	 	
perl classic	
http://www.google.com/search?q=php
Searches related to: php
php tutorial	 	
php scripts	 	
php windows	 	
physicians health plan	 
sql

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Re: Google "related" search bias?
by grinder (Bishop) on Jan 17, 2007 at 07:10 UTC

    I don't get it, you think google has a bias because it says that PHP is related to Perl, but Perl is not related to PHP? Or that Perl is not related to SQL. Or that Perl doesn't have any tutorials worth searching for.

    Or that Perl doesn't have a plan when it comes to physicians? (I hear it's pretty well regarded by biologists, does that count?)

    What point were you trying to make?

    • another intruder with the mooring in the heart of the Perl

      The former, I think. To me it reads as if Google thinks that people looking for Perl actually want PHP, but people interested in PHP, don't want Perl.

      I think his point is that he meant to search for "tin foil hats foil mind control rays the truth is out there scully" and instead got PHP results. The Cigaret Smoking Man was unavailable for comment.

      What point were you trying to make?

      I just think it's completely ridiculous and therefore somewhat amusing and bizarre that the world's most popular search engine seems to think that the #1 "related" search to "perl" is something like "php". My most paranoid theory involves Zend secretly paying Google for sponsored "related" links. More likely some fanboys are somehow google bombing the algorithm that calculates what's related. I am doubting that it really is the most related search, whatever that means. --OP

Re: Google "related" search bias?
by themage (Friar) on Jan 17, 2007 at 13:58 UTC
    hi,

    I think that this may be a consequence of perl community being so closed and of most of the biggest perl related sites use user unfriendly URLs. The true is that most of us are not web experts, and most don't want to be, so we make funcional web sites, but with very hurtful SEO mistakes.

    NOTE: I don't say that we must be Search Engine directed, and that our website users must be put after search engines.

    What I'm saying is that won't hurt anyone if some things were taken into account. Some times we are even elitists and/or take uninformed decisions.

    Some other great perl resources (like perlmonks.(org|net|com)) don't even allow search engines to crawl and index them.

    Add all of that and you have a big perl community that is not indexed by search engines and, therefore, is not taken into account when showing related searchs.

    Taking PerlMonks.org (i like it more), what could be improved (with just a quick look):
    • Clean the robots.txt - or specify only the bad robots
    • use another url form, the node_id=99999 don't help
    • use more css and a lot more HTML to format the site


    Mostly, the site structure is pretty nice, it is nevagable, everything we could want is at hand. This is an awful (and wonderfully) big perl site, with everything any webmaster could need.

    Some times we look at SEO related topics as a way to improve the money problogger (or so called) earn from their blogs and sites, but it is a way to improve targeted trafic to a site, and that can be "monetized" anyway the site owners like. We can use the extra trafic to take perl to other starting programming, and those who know little perl.

    This is a site with pagerank 7 and, as other sites like this, that could help relate perl to a lot of other keywords, including tutorial, sql, web, ...

    Time is what we make of it, and even if I have little of that, I can help improve this site (without touching the contents, that are what make this site important and relevant) to make it crawled and more crawlable.

    Only making more perl related sites crawlable and more conformant with Search Engines Guidelines we can put more perl in the search results and other relevant keywords in the related searchs.

      I see that you've thought about this a lot, but I don't get it. Searching for "perl" at google.com yields what I consider the most relevant links on the front page, including a link to Perlmonks. A search for "perl tutorials" puts the Tutorials section of this site right at the top. Google does not seem to have much trouble crawling all over us, despite our URLs.

      How many other keywords would we want to associate Perl sites with? The "related" feature on google is nifty, but I'm not interested in spending any time trying to sort through its inner workings just to get "php" off the list of related searches. It's not my business if people want to look at PHP after looking at Perl. They'll find a good language eventually.

        "perl tutorial" is probably a more common search, and perlmonks is down in the pack for that one.

        A bit of fiddling shows that Google is profoundly ignorant about this site, especially since perlmonks.thepen.com seems to be defunct.

        A good, fast search engine on this site would be a huge. SuperSearch is a great tool and I use it regularly, but it is slower than Christmas. Last I checked this site is difficult to index properly, so if someone is volunteering to help, I am in favor of it. Not that my opinion matters much!

        Then again, if it was easy to search, anybody could do it. Maybe we are better off being off the map.

        It should work perfectly the first time! - toma
Re: Google "related" search bias?
by Anomynous Monk (Scribe) on Jan 17, 2007 at 05:31 UTC
Re: Google "related" search bias?
by ikegami (Patriarch) on Jan 17, 2007 at 04:18 UTC
    I don't understand. If I follow the links, I don't see those things.
      for me it's dependent on the language the browser uses. if i set englisch as the first language i get the "Related to"-links, if i set it to german i don't get the links. =(

      You need to scroll to the bottom of the Google search results page, where it says:

      Searches related to: perl

        Odd, that doesn't exist for me.

        Update:

        Odd, that doesn't exist for me in Firefox, but I see it in when I use IE. It's not a rendering issue either. It's not in the source when I use Firefox.

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