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learnt from mistakes

by jesuashok (Curate)
on Oct 17, 2006 at 03:46 UTC ( #578650=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

How should Perlmonks deal with Plagiarism?
what do you wall want me to do now? can I access monks as a anonymous monks or that too not allowed ?
I make sure that this will not happen again. I deliver my own ideas from now on. that is the assurance I can give from my side.
I did a mistake, I am also ready to face the consequences.

update 1 Corrected a typo.
update 2 I am extremly Sorry for making such a damage to perl monks.

"Keep pouring your ideas"

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Re: learnt from mistakes
by GrandFather (Sage) on Oct 17, 2006 at 03:52 UTC

    Welcome back jesuashok. I for one am happy that you have acknowledged the error of your ways and that you are prepared to put those errors behind you and contribute in an appropriate way to this community.

    I think you have already faced the consequences! It must have been quite a shock the first time you returned after the down voting started in ernest!


    DWIM is Perl's answer to Gödel
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Re: learnt from mistakes
by planetscape (Chancellor) on Oct 17, 2006 at 06:56 UTC

    I am glad to hear you acknowledge your mistakes and promise not to repeat them. But I must say, I'd really also like to hear you say:

    "I am sorry."

    If not to PerlMonks, perhaps to those whose work you posted without attribution. It's probably not realistic to have you look up each and every source, track down a current e-mail address, and apologize individually... But you could post that here, very easily...

    "I am sorry."

    That would go a long way toward repairing the damage.

    planetscape
      I am glad to hear you acknowledge your mistakes and promise not to repeat them. But I must say, I'd really also like to hear you say:

      "I am sorry."

      If not to PerlMonks, perhaps to those whose work you posted without attribution. It's probably not realistic to have you look up each and every source, track down a current e-mail address, and apologize individually... But you could post that here, very easily...

      "I am sorry."

      That would go a long way toward repairing the damage.
      planetscape Jbrugger

      ... :)

      "We all agree on the necessity of compromise. We just can't agree on when it's necessary to compromise." - Larry Wall.
        I am glad to hear you acknowledge your mistakes and promise not to repeat them. But I must say, I'd really also like to hear you say:

        "I am sorry."

        If not to PerlMonks, perhaps to those whose work you posted without attribution. It's probably not realistic to have you look up each and every source, track down a current e-mail address, and apologize individually... But you could post that here, very easily...


        "I am sorry."

        That would go a long way toward repairing the damage.

        planetscape jbrugger jkva
        ... :)
Re: learnt from mistakes
by shmem (Chancellor) on Oct 17, 2006 at 07:14 UTC
    Welcome back, jesuashok. I'm glad that you had the guts to show up again and apologize in public.

    You would do a favour to the monastery if you went through your past nodes and marked material taken from elsewhere as such: "Taken from ...", if possible with an appropriate link.

    So we don't waste our effort chasing them down... ;-)

    greetings,
    --shmem

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Re: learnt from mistakes
by liverpole (Monsignor) on Oct 17, 2006 at 14:34 UTC
    Welcome back, jesuashok,

    It takes much courage to admit one's mistakes.  I commend you for having that courage.

    If you are careful to give credit to the original authors in your future posts, (and I have full confidence that you will), I think you can be a shining example to all monks, of someone who has learned an important lesson, and moved forward.

    Welcome back, jesuashok!


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Re: learnt from mistakes
by jpeg (Chaplain) on Oct 17, 2006 at 09:03 UTC
    I guess I'd like to hear you answer:
    • Did you actually make up multiple accounts on this site? Is madtoperl also you?
    • Do you admit that you copied questions, answers, and poems from other sites and posted them as your own?
    • What was your intention?
    • What benefits did you get from these actions? Did your posts and/or XP on perlmonks help you at your job?
    --
    jpg

      These are good questions. While I am pleased to hear an apology from jesuashok, I would like to understand a little more about his motivations. Did he just get carried away with the fun of the XP game? Call me crazy, but I wonder if this was all just some weird sociological experiment ... :)

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Re: learnt from mistakes
by spiritway (Vicar) on Oct 19, 2006 at 17:38 UTC

    jesuashok, it takes a lot of courage to publicly admit to mistakes like this. I'm not sure I could do it. I'm glad you did. I'm glad that you didn't just decide to hide, maybe create a new ID or simply abandon Perl Monks altogether. You chose to do the hard thing. I admire that.

    I don't think you damaged Perl Monks. I believe Perl Monks is a very robust community, and that the actions of an individual Monk are subject to comment and, in some cases, criticism. This is very powerful. When problems are brought to light, they can be dealt with. When hidden, they can fester and cause much damage.

    I don't see what sort of 'consequences' there should be. You seem to be genuinely sorry and intending to change. What more can anyone ask?

Re: learnt from mistakes
by Bro. Doug (Monk) on Oct 22, 2006 at 13:47 UTC
    This brings up a good point for the rest of us.

    Without being familiar with Jesuashok's particular situation, I can speculate a couple of reasons that someone -may- plagairize postings/code. The foremost would be 'I thought the <material> was helpful, so I posted it. I should have cited my source.'

    Now, I don't know about the rest of you, but when I work a project it's wretchedly obvious. My name and the current date are everywhere: in the code intros, around newly inserted code blocks, in pieces that I commented out temporarily or permanently... you get the idea. This helps me remember the madness I've been up to, but it also makes it EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO UNINTENTIONALY PLAGIARIZE.

    There are few defenses against purposeful plagairism, but by rigorously signing and commenting our work we can take a big step towards protecting ourselves, and others, from 'unintentional plaigarism.' I, for one, hope that my work is worth citing and showing to people, and I hardly expect every shmo in town to be able to track down the code's original author.

    It's nice to see you've decided to reform your ways, jesuashok. Apology accepted.

    Bro. Doug :wq
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