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Re: How should Perlmonks deal with Plagiarism?

by shmem (Chancellor)
on Oct 09, 2006 at 11:01 UTC ( #577128=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to How should Perlmonks deal with Plagiarism?

Maybe it's not all that bad. Or bad in another sense. Let's step back.

Without comments of jesuashok we can only speculate about why he did

  • rip bug reports from p5p
  • lift questions and answers from elsewhere
  • ask for explanation or advice regarding those bugs and questions
  • answer questions with lifted answers

all without mentioning the original authors or even telling it's third party material.

Was it for "gaining XP" ? Or something else?

We have cases in which jesuashok and madtoperl blatantly claimed autorship for alien work, in the Perl Poetry section, a behaviour which might be a pityful attempt to save face.

However, the plagiarized posts in the SoPW section might have another background - i came accross a comment from jpeg in the thread close ARGV inside a while, which can give a clue: that might all be just for Perl Exercises with a - to say it in a kind manner - very sloppy notion of authorship, copyright and academic standards.

In that node jesuashok says he's trainer to a team of 7 perl coders with very little background. I guess that not having the expertise needed to be a perl trainer, he sought and seeks questions and answers in whatever way to get fodder for his classes.

Up to now, I can't see any post (other than the incriminated one in Perl Poetry) in which he explicitly claims authorship for the content; it's rather implicit by his omission of source citation. The intent to plagiarize can only be assumed, and is questionable in the light of Perl Exercises, combined with the comments about jesuashok from mkirank. Note, I don't condone plagiarism, but I'm seeking an explanation and want to be fair.

Anyways, it's time he showed up and wrote something...


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Re^2: How should Perlmonks deal with Plagiarism?
by GrandFather (Sage) on Oct 09, 2006 at 18:57 UTC

    If it is a the case that jesuashok was doing this to aid in his teaching program then it implies that he's not overly bright. He would get answers much better suited to his purpose (and questions too) if he noted in each case where the material came from and why the answers it had received already were not appropriate to his purpose.

    The fact that there are a good number of plagiarised questions asked by madtoperl and answered by jesuashok mitigates against that being the motive however. Current thinking puts the two of them as workmates or similarly close associates in some fashion. Surely if they can coordinate enough to post and answer questions in synchrony, they can communicate well enough to not need to engage in behaviour that they ought to know was not approved by this community - they had both bumped against this particular behaviour standard in the past after all.

    They both showed up yesterday. Neither wrote something or turned up in the CB.

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