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Re^3: Principle of Inclusion

by BrowserUk (Patriarch)
on May 19, 2006 at 04:59 UTC ( #550416=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^2: Principle of Inclusion
in thread Principle of Inclusion

Gun deaths in USA 2001


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Re^4: Principle of Inclusion
by davorg (Chancellor) on May 19, 2006 at 11:39 UTC

    If it's on the internet then it must be true :)

    Whilst I'm firmly on your side of this debate, that source isn't exactly compelling. It doesn't say where any of those numbers come from.

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    "The first rule of Perl club is you do not talk about Perl club."
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      ... that source isn't exactly compelling.

      Agreed, but if you look at anonymonks figures drawn from the FBI numbers; he is talking 9,000 -v- 11,000 homidices and 15,000 -v- 17,000 suicides in 2001.

      And if you download and wade through that FBI "Uniform Crime Reporting", you will find that they use some pretty dubious math, and some even more dubious reasoning for using it, to produce thier 'Uniform' statistics for 'reporting' purposes. I believe that the table I linked is the raw, 'unmassaged' data.

      Even if you prefer the FBI numbers, we are talking a few percent difference, not orders of magnitude.

      More kids killed in one year in the USA, than all gun related deaths over a ten year period in the UK. I know which system makes me feel safest.


      Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
      Lingua non convalesco, consenesco et abolesco. -- Rule 1 has a caveat! -- Who broke the cabal?
      "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority".
      In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.
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