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(OT) good monitor or screen for coding please suggest

by leocharre (Priest)
on Apr 20, 2006 at 18:47 UTC ( [id://544673]=perlquestion: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

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What are some good monitors for coding? I've spend anything from 9 to 14 hours staring at 2 and sometimes 3 monitors with 4 to 5 vim isntances at once. I know I am asking this to the right people here ! :)

Are there any suggestions?

I recently bought a ViewSonic crt E90f 19" monitor.. dot pitch is .21 but the refresh rate is kind of low
(1600x1200).. and im having trouble finding online.. info.. on.. you know. Specifically what is good for looking at masses of text for long times. This is a flat screen crt- it helps a lot with my eyes.

I have little to no experience with flat lcds, is this something one should consider? are there advantages? I see a lot of talk online about graphics and monitors, but little about coding. Please suggest, money is not an issue with this.. it's our eyes!

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Re: (OT) good monitor or screen for coding please suggest
by Tanktalus (Canon) on Apr 20, 2006 at 19:49 UTC

    I went from a 19" flat CRT monitor to a 20.1" LCD (ViewSonic's VP201s). It took my eyes a couple of days to adjust to the new monitor (and took my bank account a bit longer...). But I do think it's clearer and easier on the eyes.

    I don't watch movies or TV on this monitor. I don't play games on it, either (I have a PS/2 hooked up to the TV for games). I use this monitor almost exclusively for coding, email, web browsing (which seems to be mostly PM ;->), and the like. Nothing moving fast, and mostly text. I run at 1600x1200 (was a requirement, and severely limited my choices of monitors).

    LCD is not going to have the flicker that can be associated with even the non-interlaced CRT monitors. And, no matter how imperceptible, it can tire out your eyes. LCD should be better for that, but I don't think anything can help if you're doing 9-14 hours at a time with them. ;-) You still have to remember the 20-20-20 rule: every 20 minutes, switch your focus to something at least 20 feet away for 20 seconds.

    What kept me away for so long as was the lack of resolution (most LCD monitors have a max of 1280x1024 that I noticed). So when I saw this one within an hour of my old monitor dying, I bought it. Twice the price of other LCD monitors, but the resolution is worth it. I still have 8 desktops nearly all full.

Re: (OT) good monitor or screen for coding please suggest
by moklevat (Priest) on Apr 20, 2006 at 18:56 UTC
    You are no doubt going to get a ton of replies and opinions on this one. IMO, LCD screens using a DVI interface to a decent graphics card give the most readable text. If your budget can stand it, maximize your screen real estate by getting 2 19" LCDs or one 23" or larger display. Some folks prefer the split screen and overall abundance of pixels with 2 displays, others like one contiguous display. I have had great luck with the Sony LCD's and Nvidia display cards for 2D quality.
      I'll second that. I bought one of these puppies and my eye strain is nill after a full day of coding at home. At work, ... well, let's just say it give me another reason to want to telecommute.

      --
      tbone1, YAPS (Yet Another Perl Schlub)
      And remember, if he succeeds, so what.
      - Chick McGee

Re: (OT) good monitor or screen for coding please suggest
by jcc (Sexton) on Apr 20, 2006 at 19:54 UTC
    When you get a LCD or flat panel monitor (incl. laptops) and are using Windows XP, be sure to turn on Clear Type!
    It really makes things easier on the eyes IMHO.

    Display Properties -- Appearance -- Effects --
    Use the following method to smooth edges of screen fonts
    Clear Type
      Likewise if you are using X with an LCD display you can enable subpixel font rendering.

      Information for doing this for XFree86 and X.Org servers is available.

Re: (OT) good monitor or screen for coding please suggest
by adrianh (Chancellor) on Apr 20, 2006 at 20:31 UTC
    I've spend anything from 9 to 14 hours staring at 2 and sometimes 3 monitors with 4 to 5 vim isntances at once. I know I am asking this to the right people here ! :) Are there any suggestions?

    Yup.

    Don't do that!

    Seriously. Take a break for a few minutes every hour. You'll feel better for it :-)

    I have little to no experience with flat lcds, is this something one should consider? are there advantages? I see a lot of talk online about graphics and monitors, but little about coding. Please suggest, money is not an issue with this.. it's our eyes!

    I personally prefer LCDs to CRTs. I presume that this must have something to do with the lack of refresh flicker. I've been told by some gamers I know that CRTs are better for them - but I've never found it an issue for coding.

    One low tech tip that I find works for whatever display you like. At the start of each day set the brightness/contrast to their lowest settings. Then adjust them so their comfortable.

    If I only tweak the settings when I notice a problem I slowly jog them towards the high-brightness / high-contrast end of the scale but never end up turning them down. So I end up with more light coming off the screen which hurts my eyes (it burns!). Daily resets force me to find a more optimal setting.

      This tip about setting the brightness contrast really helped- i usually use high contrast, and low bright.. and that makes the screen really flare up.

      Another thing I try to do is: us a lamp! I place it lighting up something on my peripherals, that helps.

      Also, I had a black monitor for a while.. and it hurt my eyes.. switched it for a light grey one and it was a lot better. it seems when your vision is too preocuppied by the monitor, it freaks the eyes out?

      ( i take smoke/coffee breaks every half hour : ) )

Re: (OT) good monitor or screen for coding please suggest
by gaal (Parson) on Apr 20, 2006 at 20:33 UTC
    If you go for LCD, know that the specs advertised are often not useful for picking. Test drive at a friend's. I use a rock solid Hyundai Q17+. No frills, 17", 1200x1024. DVI (worth the extra cash if you can afford it). The resolution isn't mind boggling but the display is simply superb. Before that I used to work with a thinkpad that amazingly had a 1600x1200 which was a joy to use, too, but was only 15".

    Dell have a (relatively) cheap 24" LCD, selling for under $900 in the States -- I know someone who is happy with his, although I heard that the image is not perfect.

Re: (OT) good monitor or screen for coding please suggest
by GrandFather (Saint) on Apr 20, 2006 at 20:41 UTC

    No question - LCDs. A 17" LCD has the same viewing area as a 19" CRT and, especially with DVI, generates much crisper text even at the lower resolutions most LCDs provide at the moment.

    I use a two LCD monitors at work and would find it rather traumatic to give one up. I'd hardly be able to keep an eye on the CB at all without two monitors.


    DWIM is Perl's answer to Gödel
      I use a two LCD monitors at work and would find it rather traumatic to give one up. I'd hardly be able to keep an eye on the CB at all without two monitors.

      That's a damn good point. Two monitors rock. I'd hate to go back to a one monitor setup. If it's a choice between one big monitor and two small - go for the two small. You'll get more surface area for your money.

Re: (OT) good monitor or screen for coding please suggest
by jhourcle (Prior) on Apr 20, 2006 at 21:00 UTC

    You might want to consider not changing the monitor, but your application --

    0.21 dot poitch is relatively small. You'll either need to sit closer, or increase the font size to compare to your previous monitor. As I tend to sit further away from larger monitors, I can actually lose real estate in terms of number of viewable characters as the screen size increases.

    Consider color and brightness -- CRTs can be very bright. I find that keeping my background color to an off white helps with long term legibility when reading text. Sometimes, adjusting the overall monitor brightness can help. You want a high enough brightness and contrast to read everything, but not so bright that it's making your eyes tired. You may want different settings for daytime vs. nighttime work. (I work just from monitor glow late at night)

    As for the LCDs -- they're just fine for coding and such. I do much of my work on a laptop, or an external LCD monitor connected to the laptop. The important thing to remember is that LCDs are only really good at their max resolution. (maybe at 1/2 the resolution, but it'll look bad if you randomly choose). Large CRTs force you to worry about the depth of the table/desk, and its overall strength, and can be a royal pain to move, but they do tend to last a rather long time.

    The only monitor that I've used that I really didn't like was a Sun 21" CRT -- it gave me the worst headaches when using it. I've seen a few CRTs that sort of got fuzzy over time, as well, but I can't remember what brand they were (it was a whole lab full of them that started going bad)

Re: (OT) good monitor or screen for coding please suggest
by kvale (Monsignor) on Apr 20, 2006 at 19:56 UTC
    I, too, am bothered by the flicker of a CRT screen. Anything below 75Hz and my head starts to hurt after a while. I second the recommendation to get an LCD monitor. There is no flicker problem and text is so sharp it just jumps out at you. There are many good monitors out there. I have had good luck with Viewsonic LCD screens in the past and present - good contrast, no dead pixels and a relatively low price.

    -Mark

Re: (OT) good monitor or screen for coding please suggest
by zentara (Archbishop) on Apr 20, 2006 at 21:38 UTC
    I've found that colors make a big difference in eye strain. I like a black backgound, and a burnt orange text. The white background really is hard on the eyes. You can set your editor , browser, and desktop colors... I view PM with a black background, burnt orange text, red/blue links. A black background tends to obscure moire patterns and flicker, and you can stare at it for hours with no strain. Use a big font too.

    I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth. flash japh
      I can't remember where, but someone recommended a wheat background with black text (xterm). It's a great combo.

      I'll take this opportunity to shamelessly plug this node where I use a brightness formula to generate fun xterms.
      I have to say I agree here. The (pseudo?)scientific explanation is that white actually represents a pixel that is 'on,' therefore emitting radiation that hits your eyes. Thus the ideal is a black background. I do this for all my Xwindows stuff, but have yet to find a way to do it for web pages. I'd love if PM were green text on a black background! How do you change the color scheme?
        The ability to change your PM Display Settings may be of interest here; there are several predefined themes for PM, including green on black (Night Shift Theme). There is also the option of using your own CSS, although I've not actually experimented with that much.

        Tim

        Well in Mozilla( I'm sure others are similar), you go to Edit->Preferences->Appearance->Colors. It has little color boxes that you click, to select the various colors, BUT you must check the box "Use my chosen colors, ignoring the default web page colors".

        The one thing I noticed as a "glitch" in the black background, is that it can partially obscure dropdown menus on some sites that use alot of "javascript menus". But you can always switch the checkbox mentioned above, to naviagte such sites. 99% of the sites are fine.


        I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth. flash japh
Re: (OT) good monitor or screen for coding please suggest
by tzz (Monk) on Apr 21, 2006 at 14:25 UTC
    Pay attention to other ergonomic factors, not just the monitor. While monitor resolution is nice, distance from the monitor and viewing angle are much more important. Keep at least an outsretched arm's distance from your eyes to the monitor. The top of the monitor screen (not the plastic!) should be level with your eyes or a little lower (but never higher). You should never feel strain in your neck or shoulders while typing.

    In addition, a good chair (I like Aerons, you may like other brands), keyboard, keyboard tray, and mouse are relevant. The arms should bend at about 90 degrees at the elbows, and fall naturally to the side of the body. Your wrists should not hurt at the end of the day - if they do, examine your posture. The knees should be at about 90 degrees as well, with a solid comfortable stance. Finally, work out your back muscles when possible. They hold your back up all day. Beware of the common combination of strong stomach muscles (from sit-ups) and weaker, less exercised back muscles. You'll end up bent forward all day without realizing it.

    Ted

Re: (OT) good monitor or screen for coding please suggest
by jdtoronto (Prior) on Apr 21, 2006 at 18:51 UTC
    I have recently gone to a Dell DP2405 LCD and it has made so much more comfortable.It is running at its maximum resolution of 1920 x 1200, give me a month or two to recover fomr the sticker shiock and I will be buying another to replace the 19"Sony CRT sitting next to it as the second screen.

    jdtoronto

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