Well were definately into a matter of perspectives here. I can easily see how you can say,

And yes, most of the population is not wired the right way

However, from my humble point of view it seems to me that if indeed they aren't wired the right way there's a problem with the interface not the people.

To think otherwise simply builds cathedral's. Then again Maybe I spend too much time looking down the road rather than dealing with the present.

coreolyn

Then again Maybe I spend too much time looking down the road rather than dealing with the present

I would say the proper design so that a debugger is not needed is a long term view. I've had to use debuggers on other's peoples code because I had to get something out quick. I then turn around and recommend rewrites in most cases. Of course the long term view of getting it right the first time saves the most time over a long enough period. The first to market push that drives many companies screws this up.

However, from my humble point of view it seems to me that if indeed they aren't wired the right way there's a problem with the interface not the people.

Nope. Some people just don't get abstraction or clear sequential logic, or many of the other things necessary to write maintainable, practical code.

Ever ask someone for directions to a place you're unfamiliar with, and end up totally lost? Probably because that person couldn't give clear directions, ever. Some people just can't do that.

And some people just can't program. It's not the interface. It's the person.

There's no moral statement here. It's just an attribute. I can't draw a picture worth beans. Am I less smart because of that? No. I just stick to programming, and hire the people who can draw and can't program. {grin}

-- Randal L. Schwartz, Perl hacker

Logic tells me your right... My heart argues otherwise, but I confess my heart hasn't found a way to pay a bill yet. :)

coreolyn Duct tape devotee and dreamer