Re^2: [PT_BR] Escrever em Português no Perlmonks

I find that freetranslation.com tends to do a better job as compared to google's translators, or babelfish. (if nothing else, it at least got the word 'monks'):

Save Monks!

Now our second friend and main Merlyn, we should place in the Perlmonks in protuguês also for include the Brazilian monks and of others countries that speak Portuguese.

Like to initiate in that moment a movement for that and would like the support of everybody and know who is arranged it initiate that, remembering that the idea nao is going to stop to place in English, when will go necessary that be deed in the two languages. But that that nao injure the that nao understand the English.

I'm personally a native english speaker (with some dutch that I haven't used in 20 years, and some high school spanish that I haven't used in 12 years), but I'd be interested to know from some of the folks for whom english isn't their first language -- does knowing english help in writing Perl, as the keywords and internal functions are named in english?

If so, can we assume that practicing english, even if it's not your primary language, can help you write better Perl?

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Re^3: [PT_BR] Escrever em Portugues no Perlmonks by ambrus (Abbot) on Jun 09, 2005 at 15:07 UTC
I think you should ask this in the other way. Does not knowing English make it very difficult to program (in perl or anyway)? My answer is yes. You must definitely know English at least to some very basic level. However, this basic level is not very difficult to aqquire, beacuse you have to understand only technical words, and the documents itself are often written by people who don't speak English well. To program, you have to be able to read the manuals. While some books of perl (and even some of the core perldocs) are available in translation, it's still very few as compared to those in English. It would be impossible to translate everything to every language.	[reply]
Re^4: [PT_BR] Escrever em Portugues no Perlmonks by salva (Canon) on Jun 09, 2005 at 15:45 UTC
While some books of perl (and even some of the core perldocs) are available in translation And usually those translations are of very bad quality, because the translators know nothing or very little about perl (or xml, databases, or whatever). Once I bought a book about COM that was a translation from English to Spanish. But the translation was so bad that the only way to understand it, was to untranslate it back to English on my mind at the same time I was reading it, trying to find the original wording that actually made sense!	[reply]
Re^5: [PT_BR] Escrever em Portugues no Perlmonks by ambrus (Abbot) on Jun 09, 2005 at 16:00 UTC
Yes, that's true. With manuals of computer programs, I usually want to read the English manual even if there's a translation available. There can be exceptions though. I've read the Hungarian translation of the Owl book, and it was quite good. The big problem is that the translation of terminology isn't quite standard, as there are so few translated books, so even if a translation is fine, you might not understand it. I guess this could be less of a problem in Spanish or French though.	[reply]
Re^5: [PT_BR] Escrever em Portugues no Perlmonks by CountZero (Bishop) on Jun 09, 2005 at 22:02 UTC
I once bought a book on Visual Basic where the translator managed it to translate the program code! So instead of `print "Hello World!"` it gave `druk "Hallo Wereld!"` CountZero "If you have four groups working on a compiler, you'll get a 4-pass compiler." - Conway's Law	[reply] [d/l] [select]