The best answer so far, appreciate the comments Fletch...

It may be some monks have come from c++ to perl, Perl is my first lang out of school.. and my teacher didnt know what a hash was... now the point I am making is that lets not judge others being introduced to perl or any other lang...and I personally hate it when people say 'they should buy a book'. Thats not always so easy as it seems....so we mere mortals hope for support of fellow monks... I for myself want to just teach newbies the best I can

Thanks again Fletch