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in reply to Most of the email spam I get is:

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The unfiltered stuff (which lands in my inbox and gets shifted manually) is what annoys me most, and I'm continually looking for ways to reduce it, without getting false positives. (My experiments with Bayesian filtering were a wash; after training ifile on my entire very large corpus of mail, I found that I had to continually go through the whole spam bin for false positives. With the system I use now, I don't go through the filtered ones, only the unfiltered ones that land in my inbox.)

Some of the kinds of spam that land in my inbox include the following:

However, even the stuff that gets filtered is a significant annoyance, because of the bandwidth it uses. I'm on 33.6 dialup here, so retrieving my mail takes a few minutes; when most of what I'm retrieving is unsolicited bulkmail, it's annoying to have to wait for that.

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Re^2: Most of the email spam I get is:
by hostyle (Scribe) on Jan 03, 2005 at 12:54 UTC

    Messages with an enigmatic or vague subject line (that looks like a Markov chain or random dictionary words) and no content -- absolutely nothing in the body at all, no HTML part, no attachment, no nothing. I seem to get a fair amount of this, and I'm confused as to what possible reason the spammers could have for sending it.

    Testing if its a valid email address? If it doesn't bounce your email address gets added to the "alive" list.

      I Disagree. They can't reliably get information on what addresses work from the transport mechanisms. The Mail Exchanger (MX) for any given domain may simply be a relay, and unable to tell the remote host if the/a recipient is invalid. If your MX is able to give that information, or is a relay that can do so by using LDAP lookups, I'd be surprised if the spambot actually cared about recording the status of that particular e-mail address (a lead, if you want to make it sound nice).

      Now, in the case that you have a relay, every message will get an OK status when the spambot delivers the message. When the message gets to a host that can say if the recipient is invalid, the relay that was connected to that host will make the "bounce" message -- I'll say "DSN" here. DSNs are sent to the envelope sender of the message. There's a very slim chance that the envelope sender of a spam message goes to some mailbox that tracks the status of leads. That would make blocking spam messages much easier for us Good Guys. Most of the time, they will use an invalid user at a valid domain. Sometimes, the user is valid. That's called a Joe Job, and the user or domain will start receiving thousands of DSNs for messages that they never sent. Not fun at all.

      I think that in this case, it's simply a mistake on the spammer's part. That sort of thing is rather common -- most often, I see messages that have a bunch of tokens that are meant to be substituted before the message goes out, but aren't. I've seen some other stupid ones before, too.

      mhoward - at - hattmoward.org
Re^2: Most of the email spam I get is:
by MarkusLaker (Beadle) on Jan 05, 2005 at 00:47 UTC
    My experiments with Bayesian filtering were a wash; after training ifile on my entire very large corpus of mail, I found that I had to continually go through the whole spam bin for false positives.

    I did the same thing when I first came to Bayesian filtering, but that's not the way to get the best results out of it. Filtering is more accurate if you simply correct its mistakes as they occur than if you preload it with an existing corpus.

    There's much more information about Bayesian filtering at Paul Graham's site.

    Markus

      Filtering is more accurate if you simply correct its mistakes as they occur

      If I have to correct false positives as the occur, this so-called "filtering" is no good to me at all, because it means I have to go through all the spam. Worse than useless. My existing filtering system is significantly better, because I am confident that 100.000% of everything filtered into the spam folders is, in fact, worthless junk. Additionally, *most* of my legitimate mail is filtered into various spam-free folders based on topic, list, sender or whatever. The only mail I have to sort by hand is the stuff that lands in my inbox (because none of my filters pick it up).

      I don't want to correct my filter's errors continually. If I have to do that, it's not doing its job at ALL; *I* would be doing 100% of the filter's job, then.