web-based client app languages

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Re: web-based client app languages by tachyon (Chancellor) on Sep 07, 2004 at 00:57 UTC
Fearing the demise of Perl may be of interest, as may http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm or for more general web stats http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/index.html (scroll down to the free reports) cheers tachyon	[reply]
Re: web-based client app languages by Anonymous Monk on Sep 07, 2004 at 11:43 UTC
Not only is it old, it's not useful to say anything about general web-based client programming. There's a bias in the people visiting the Solaris Developer Connection site - there will be a higher ratio of people working on Solaris visiting that site then if you look at everyone working in web-based programming. I'd expect Perl to be way lower if the same question was asked on a Microsoft developers site. Both now, and back in 2001.	[reply]
Re^2: web-based client app languages by ggg (Scribe) on Sep 08, 2004 at 17:24 UTC
There's a bias in the people visiting the Solaris Developer Connection site That's exactly why I found it so interesting. ggg	[reply]
Re: web-based client app languages by dragonchild (Archbishop) on Sep 07, 2004 at 12:20 UTC
Not to mention that when I see the words "client" and "language" in the same sentence, I think of things like JavaScript - the client-side stuff. I do not think of ASP or other server-side languages. The question is poorly worded, at least without additional context. ------ We are the carpenters and bricklayers of the Information Age. Then there are Damian modules.... sigh* ... that's not about being less-lazy -- that's about being on some really good drugs -- you know, there is no spoon.* - flyingmoose I shouldn't have to say this, but any code, unless otherwise stated, is untested	[reply]
Re: web-based client app languages by prostoalex (Scribe) on Sep 08, 2004 at 03:55 UTC
Well, the demise of the language in one particular application field really shows little, if anything. In a similar vein, here's a survey: What language did you use to develop your new hardware driver? C C++ Assembly Visual Basic The point being that there's a tool for every job. The thing with Perl is that there's so much more than CGI module. Socket server apps, TCP and UDP servers, neural networks, GUI apps and what not. The rise of PHP and ASP is no surprise - PHP and ASP are better for building dynamic database-driven Web sites. There, I said it. ASP.NET, I wouldn't even know how one would compare it with Perl - it's really an object framework with lots of pre-built components, and the concept of a site being a single app, while Perl is more page-to-page down-to-Earth coding. So while there are fewer reasons today to use Perl for large commercial Web projects, each one of those projects requires lots of back-end maintenance and glue code, and that's where Perl comes in handy.	[reply]
Re^2: web-based client app languages by zdog (Priest) on Sep 10, 2004 at 21:30 UTC
The rise of PHP and ASP is no surprise - PHP and ASP are better for building dynamic database-driven Web sites. There, I said it. Care to elaborate? I don't know much about ASP, but as far as PHP and my experiences with it, it may be more geared for web/DB programming, but I don't think the fact that Perl is generally a better programming language can be discounted. ASP.NET, I wouldn't even know how one would compare it with Perl - it's really an object framework with lots of pre-built components, and the concept of a site being a single app, while Perl is more page-to-page down-to-Earth coding. There's no reason Perl can't be used to create a site that functions as a single app. In many ways, Perl Monks (which runs on Everything) is exactly such a web site. I think the power of Perl shows up in being able to actually develop such architectures. Anyway, I was just hoping that you could elaborate upon your perspectives a little bit more. Thanks. Zenon Zabinski \| zdog \| zdog@perlmonk.org	[reply]
Re: web-based client app languages by webfiend (Vicar) on Sep 10, 2004 at 00:16 UTC
Rumours of Perl's death have been greatly exaggerated. Repeatedly.	[reply]


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