in reply to Monk to Monk jobs

I think this is a very good point. There should be a way for real people to exchange job information without having the slime of recruiters leak in. And PM seems to be the perfect place for that.

Consider my current job situation as an example of how something like this would help. I have a "Perl nirvana" job right now; it's everything I could wish for. And in fact, I've already had the chance to hire two Perl programmers, and hope to very soon be able to add more. It's cheaper for the company to not go through recruiters (I got one programmer from the Portland Perl Mongers list, and one from the Portland Linux User Group list), and it's better money for the programmer (a year ago, I thought I was doing well making $45/hr until I found out that the company I was working for was paying $75/hr to the recruiting agency). So, when we're ready to expand again, to be able to come to PM and tell people that I have some great positions would be wonderful.

And on the other side of things, I'll have to be looking for a job myself soon. Not because there's anything wrong with my current one, but because my girlfriend graduates in May and we're planning to move to NY (damn theatre people :-) ). I've decided not to ever work with recruiters again, which makes finding jobs in an unknown city rather a lot harder. But I also know that there are some Monks in the city, and to be able to let people know that I might be looking to find something would be great.

So from my point of view, letting job issues become a part of this community can do nothing but good, as long as we can keep it between programmers.

-dlc, who wonders if he's made his hatred of recruiters clear :-)

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RE: RE: Monk to Monk jobs
by davorg (Chancellor) on Oct 24, 2000 at 15:55 UTC

    Is it worth pointing out that your local Perl Mongers group would also be a good place to swap job requirements without recruiters getting involved?


    "Perl makes the fun jobs fun
    and the boring jobs bearable" - me

      There are also meta-job related lists hosted by the Perl Mongers at

      That said, I think a Job Section could be useful.. but, aside from those here who have jobs to post, I can see Recruiters cluttering up the section in some way. There are MANY sites which you can search for Perl related jobs. Monster, Brainbuzz, HotJobs, etc.. are good services which you can set up job 'agents' to go out and search for jobs with your given criteria. If you are truely on a hard-core job search, I would suggest using one of those (I did, and have a great new job).


        My experience with the "big boards" has not been so good. The problem is that they look for "perl related" jobs, not "perl jobs." So I will set up an agent and say (as best I can given the contraints) "ONLY PERL." What do I invariably get? Every job under the sun that has the word "perl" in it somewhere. I've seen Visual Basic jobs, sybase jobs, Win9x help desk jobs, and worse show up, just because someone added a phrase like "Knowledge of foo, bar, baz, and perl would be helpful" at the bottom of the job description. You'd think some of those sites could write a more intelligent filter.... :)

RE: RE: Monk to Monk jobs
by tune (Curate) on Oct 25, 2000 at 17:50 UTC
    hey your problems seem ridiculous to me, because i am a foreigner. i really would like to move to the US, and I usually bomb recruiters with my resume, they mostly even not reply to my emails. Is it a kind of american people's behaviour? :(

    I cannot really imagine, if what the problem is with me. Is not my resume strong enough? They afraid of my weaker communication skills? Am I too old? Do not I have enough skills? Maybe the main point is about the lack of Java and C/C++. They say: if we hire somebody from a foreigner country, he/she must be a genie! To join the discussion I found a very useful resource to find "pure" perl nirvana jobs, a company almost hired me from there. (but they disappeared without an explanation one day, funny, eh?) if you have some tips, please do not keep -- tune