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Re: need to auto generate user/password info

by arden (Curate)
on Jun 19, 2004 at 21:21 UTC ( [id://368208] : note . print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to need to auto generate user/password info

perl-less, what you are asking us to do is to provide you, free of charge, with code that you are going to get paid for. The monastery is here to help people with Perl, not to do people's work for them. This is worse than students asking us to do their homework for them, you're actually being paid to do something which you claim you have no knowledge of how to do. How much more dis-honest can you get?

Does your "client" know that you don't know Perl? Have you never taken an ethics course before? There are plenty of people here in the monastery who are actually paid for developing Perl applications and/or consulting in situations like the one you describe, although I am not one of them.

If you want help with this, I suggest that you 1) offer a fee to be paid for the service, since you are getting paid for the project, and 2) specify very clearly what your requirements are. What O/S is this server on? What version(s) of Perl are available on it? Do you have full freedom on this machine or is it leased and subject to restrictions by the ISP? And then, what exactly do you wish to do?

I hope you find someone to help you and I hope you pay them well for their service. I, however, will not help you to create something which you are going to claim authorship of and collect compensation for.

- - arden.

update: I was referring to being dis-honest with his client, long before it was stated that "she is a friend." I'm also somewhat upset by the lack of effort shown by the poster: what has he tried, what kind of errors was he given? I know that many (maybe most?) of the folks here get paid one way or another for their development work. I do not expect the site to be used only by people for non-commercial endeavours, but I do expect some effort to be expended first by those asking for aide and I try to promote honesty in business (and education) by not claiming ownership of something you cannot or did not create.

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Re^2: need to auto generate user/password info
by Seumas (Curate) on Jun 20, 2004 at 06:32 UTC
    While my use of Perl is entirely personal and has nothing to do with my job, I suspect that a great number of monks here make a living directly or indirectly using or writing perl.

    I've been a member of PerlMonks since March of 2000 and I did not realize that this site was only for the use of non-professionals and those working for free. I always thought it was a place for perl professionals and non-professionals as well as hobbiests and enthusiasts to interact, learn from and educate each other.

    Granted, the tone of his post strikes me as a bit grating, but it isn't because he's getting paid for work that he is coming to us for help with. What puts me off is the impression his post gives that he is presenting himself to one or more clients as posessing skills which he freely admits (to us) that he does not have and is asking us to do the work for him. If he had made clear in his original post that he was helping a friend with a site and was stumped because he is unfamiliar with perl, that would not be so bad.

    I suspect that you agree with these comments and that you are only taking issue with the same things I have indicated. I don't care why someone is asking for help - be it to assist with their day-job work, a school-project or their side-project, as long as they are doing so in a fair way which doesn't make those of us who help them feel like we're being sodomized by some ungrateful leech in the process.

    If, on the other hand, you really think that this site should be (or even is) only used by people for altruistic, free, non-commercial, RMS-style causes - half of us should probably pack up our things.

    Otherwise, I do concur with the general tone of your post. Well worded and appropriate.
Re^2: need to auto generate user/password info
by mrpeabody (Friar) on Jun 20, 2004 at 04:53 UTC
    How much more dis-honest can you get?
    perl-less is not being dishonest, just inappropriate. Dishonest would have been deliberately obscuring or omitting the context of his request, or lying about the situation outright.
Re^2: need to auto generate user/password info
by perl-less (Novice) on Jun 19, 2004 at 23:34 UTC
    I am so terribly sorry for my ignorance and insult to the Monastery. My client is a friend who is paying me very little as she has no budget to hire a professional. Nonetheless, I see that I was quite out of line to make the request that I did. If you wish to remove my post, I think that's best. And I will look to hire a consultant. Please do accept my apology.