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Re^4: Encouraging comments for downvotes

by Roy Johnson (Monsignor)
on Apr 05, 2004 at 16:26 UTC ( [id://342666]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Re^2: Encouraging comments for downvotes
in thread Encouraging comments for downvotes

If upvotes are based simply on perception, why not accept that downvotes are also based simply on perception?
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "based simply on perception", as you seem to suggest that perception obviates explanation. Votes are based on understanding the merits (or lack thereof) of the post. However, it is reasonable to assume that a poster understands why you upvoted -- it is for the same reason that he thought the post was worth making. It is not reasonable to assume that he understands why you downvoted, except, perhaps, in the case of a proposal, where downvoting is often used to signal disagreement.

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Re: Re^4: Encouraging comments for downvotes
by diotalevi (Canon) on Apr 05, 2004 at 16:34 UTC

    Votes are based on understanding the merits (or lack thereof) of the post.
    Speak for yourself. That only occasionally true for me. More commonly I'll vote on a batch of nodes to rearrange their sorting so the better nodes go the top. This means good nodes are --'ed as a side effect. This is also why it doesn't help to get worked up about what the actual reputation of anything is.

      Relative merits are still merits.

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Re: Re^4: Encouraging comments for downvotes
by EdwardG (Vicar) on Apr 05, 2004 at 19:09 UTC
    I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "based simply on perception"
    They were your words -
    Upvotes are fairly self-explanatory: they simply mean that a reader thought the post was good (even if that perception is misguided)
    ...did I misinterpret them?
      "simply" was not my word, it was yours, and it looks like your usage equates "perception" to "impression" -- something vague and unexplainable. That wasn't my position.

      I was not suggesting that one couldn't explain what one liked about a post, but that such explanation was generally redundant. Those who ++ without additional comment have nothing to add or correct. Those who -- clearly do think something should be added or corrected. In some cases, other monks might already have responded, pointing out the problem; in others, better answers may have been offered, and their context makes the reason for the downvote discernible. But a number of downvotes are just drive-bys that leave the poster frustrated at being slapped without receiving any useful feedback.

      Those voters are jackasses, IMO, and considering how often this topic gets raised, I'm not alone in that assessment.


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        Those who ++ without additional comment have nothing to add or correct.
        Huh? Are you saying that ++ votes are meaningless? People just vote because they need the exercise for their fingers? Voting should be symmetric: downvote bad post, upvote good post. Don't upvote just because the best you can think of the post is "nothing to add or correct" - you might as well downvote such a post. If there's nothing to add or correct, it's a neutral post, and should receive no votes.
        who -- clearly do think something should be added or corrected.
        Yeah, but ++ voters do think the post was above what could be expected. If you want to press for a policy that -- voters tell why they -- voted, than please be symmetric, and insist ++ voters justify their actions as well.
        Those voters are jackasses, IMO, and considering how often this topic gets raised, I'm not alone in that assessment.
        It seems to me the topic is raised by whiners who can't stand receiving downvotes, but who never seem to question their upvotes. I never see a thread started about "I'm getting upvotes, but noone tells me why".

        Abigail

        You are overstating the case. Those who ++ could well have something to add or correct, but they don't. Those who -- might have nothing but their (perhaps incorrect) perception of the node, or they might be voting randomly, or they might be voting for reasons that have nothing to do with the node.

        Any of these jackasses care to comment?

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