Whole Perl/Tk apps can take 30 minutes to write. Swing?

Swing is the same way. If you take a basic problem, and reduce it to a simpler one, solving one allows you to solve the other. That's why it's discouraged to post entire scripts here, no?

This is partly because, all of the "sandboxing" and "portability" stuff Java does prevents the API from including functions people actually might want to use, such as (as I was looking for yesterday), a J2SE function to validate OS passwords. Sun avoids such platform specifics like the plague.

Freebsd uses MD5-Crypt. Someone wrote a java class to deal with such stuff. Nothing hard. Just port over the c version. I's been up for a long time and I use it w/o problem. I also have one for traditional crypt. It's out there. YOu have to look a little harder, as there is no JPAN. Japan?

, I could make some popular modules on CPAN and change the way people do work. In java?

Jakarta.apache.org my friend. It's there and very real. They house log4j, xerces, xalan, a regular expression api (before it came out in 1.4, 1.3?)

few people being able to say why they like it (in a convincing way).

For some simple reasons.

Java forces me to be organized in terms of encapsulation. I like the fact I have permissions from stupid coworkers doing stupid things. In perl, it's a case of don't do that, or you'll hurt yourself. When someone hurts themselves at work, people we lose money. I rather not encounter someone wet behind the ears doing stupid things and then have to deal with it.

You can't do odd things like declare things public, then make them private. If the interface is designed to have something public, it's public and that's it. Don't undermine the design by changing it.

If you don't do strange JINI things, it's really cross compatable. I work on my mac and unix boxes at work and deploy to a windows desktop with minimal testing. There are bugs in the various JVM's, but they are rare.

I like the fact it's also verbose. I don't have to worky about someone not understanding ($#{$x[0]}; pm randomly inserted the striked out part.) what I've written and vice versa.

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