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Re: Re: Larry Sighting

by hanenkamp (Pilgrim)
on Dec 21, 2003 at 14:43 UTC ( [id://316196]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: Larry Sighting
in thread Larry Sighting

The time to complain (which can be the best contribution of all) is now and, I mean, why not take it to the top?

I disagree. There is no time to complain! A massive amount of people complaining would be the best way to frustrate Larry and all the others that are working hard on Perl6.

I disagree again. I would have to agree with ackme rather than woolfy (at least on the point of complaining in general). The reason Perl's utility is so great is because folks like Larry Wall and the other major contributors listen to complaints and try to figure out how to solve them--look at the RFC system which is essentially an orderly method of submitting complaints and suggestions to the Perl6 team.

At the same time, Complaining that Perl6 is still not here would not help is an obvious fact. Of course, this isn't really complaining, but simply whining. Whining will not help, but complaining is the process of presenting real solid problems that exist in the implementation so that those with insider knowledge can try and fix the problem before it becomes part of the cruft of Perl6.

As for the rest of woolfy's comments, I agree. If you have the time and interest, work towards helping in concrete ways. Play around with the code, learn it, test it, and try to find solutions to the problems you discover. This is the core of the community project. But, let's not forget the entrepreneurial spirit which has made Perl as useful as it is, which involves listening and solving complaints.

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Re: Re: Re: Larry Sighting
by woolfy (Chaplain) on Dec 21, 2003 at 15:09 UTC
    I guess we agree more than your first line suggests. I can't imagine Larry (or whoever) being happy with a 1,000 complaints that Perl 6 is not there yet. That would be just whining.

    And in case you really want to complain, please make it that special type of complaining, the type that is called "being constructive", containing more than just one line, something that attributes to Perl, with a solution to a problem, or with a well-defined error report and test results.

    Complaining, whining? Word games!

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