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Re^2: (TIMTOWTDI / Golf / Obfu) Airplanes in class

by Aristotle (Chancellor)
on Oct 04, 2003 at 17:41 UTC ( [id://296544]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re: (TIMTOWTDI / Golf / Obfu) Airplanes in class
in thread (TIMTOWTDI / Golf / Obfu) Airplanes in class

We need Unlambda and/or SPL interpreters in Perl, then you'd see weird.. :)

Makeshifts last the longest.

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Re: (TIMTOWTDI / Golf / Obfu) Airplanes in class
by jonadab (Parson) on Oct 04, 2003 at 18:32 UTC

    Both these languages have the saving grace that they don't require the programmer to think in trinary (base 3). When we get Inline::Malbolge, then you'll see weird.

    update: Upon further inspection, I recant my former position on Unlambda and agree that it is indeed quite weird after all. I had not fully understood the implications of the combinators before.

    SPL, OTOH, is just lame and verbose; any resemblance to Shakespearean plays is so superficial as to be irrelevant. The language is semantically so similar to a typical normally-paradigmed language that it is not even necessary to read the manual to get a general idea how it works; looking at the examples is adequate. Language like "You are equal to the sum of yourself and several apparently randomly selected words" is neither Shakespearean nor terribly original, but the meaning is pretty obvious.

    I also still maintain that the trinary nature of Malbolge makes it weird. You need a warped and twisted mind just to be *able* to think in trinary, much less to come up with the idea of forcing the programmer to do so. It should be noted, it's not just a regular language converted mathematically from base 16 (or whatever) to 3 for obfuscatory purposes, like the way a JAPH might convert between base 256 (ASCII) and 16 (hex) by using unpack. No, Malbolge is designed as trinary from the ground up. That's weird.


    $;=sub{$/};@;=map{my($a,$b)=($_,$;);$;=sub{$a.$b->()}} split//,".rekcah lreP rehtona tsuJ";$\=$ ;->();print$/
      Malbolge ain't weird. A program written as what appears to be a Shakespearean play is weird. Malbolge is "just" (and that's a big "just") horribly convoluted.

      Makeshifts last the longest.

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