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(parental advisory) It's just f-ing poetry

by PodMaster (Abbot)
on Sep 09, 2003 at 23:31 UTC ( [id://290223]=poem: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

package I; sub cannot{[qw 1 2 3 1, \&considered ]} sub considered { warn @_} I -> cannot( 'stand')->[2]->('see'); s||po-et-ry|; considered "delete offensive"; die <<'ARGH'; It's just FUCKINGing poetry Where do I post X? http://perlmonks.com/index.pl?node_id=237057#poetry Perl Poetry Poetry written in perl Using Perl to write Poetry Using Perl to (imaginatively) output a poem ARGH

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Re: (parental advisory) It's just f-ing poetry
by blokhead (Monsignor) on Sep 10, 2003 at 00:10 UTC
    OK, I'll bite.

    Obviously you're talking about this gem. Is your problem that I considered the node for deletion, or that I considered it as "offensive?" If it's the latter, I apologize. Forget that I mentioned the word "offensive" ... that was only because that's what Mr. Muskrat put when he considered the same content almost a year ago, and it seemed as good a one-word reason as any. As it turns out, I don't find the node offensive, just really dumb.

    So just pretend my reason for consideration is a little more accurate: something like "utter crap" or "mind-numbingly childish and puerile" or "didn't use strict" or "too much trailing whitespace" instead of "offensive." Maybe even "inappropriate?" The last thing I want to do is be labelled a censor just because I used the magic word "offensive."

    Honestly,

    if ($you_are eq 'a policeman') { chomp (my $dick) or die (""); }
    Why is this appropriate for Perl Monks today (so far 3 votes to keep), when it wasn't the last time it was posted (5 votes for deletion, 0 for keep)?

    blokhead

      I think it's far better to ridicule a poem in public, rather than try to sweep it under the carpet.

      And that's some bad Perl code. I don't think the author realises what that code does. chomp, as you well know, chops a bit off the end of something. Personally, you do that to me, I'd get pretty irate. So that should really read:

      chomp (my $dick) and die ("")
        It only chops it off if it's a newline, and who needs newlines?! Maybe he's converting to Judaism and is getting circumcised (hint: foreskin = newline)!

        :-)

      The only reason I can see to consider that node is to amend the title to include "(parental advisory)" or something to that affect (kinda like we might do for spoilers).

      Offensive is not a magic word. Just because you consider this poetry to be crap/dumb/childish is no reason to reap it. The node clearly matches the criteria for perl poetry, and as such should definetly not be reaped.

      Why is this appropriate for Perl Monks today (so far 3 votes to keep), when it wasn't the last time it was posted (5 votes for deletion, 0 for keep)?
      Opportunity. Content is moderated by those who are here to moderate it -> NodeReaper loose in the monastery -> and there aren't really any moderation guidelines (it's a work in progress).

      PS -- a funny thing happened when I was quoting you, I started writing </blockhead> ;D
      I'd like to thank castaway for the link.

      MJD says "you can't just make shit up and expect the computer to know what you mean, retardo!"
      I run a Win32 PPM repository for perl 5.6.x and 5.8.x -- I take requests (README).
      ** The third rule of perl club is a statement of fact: pod is sexy.

        Just because you consider this poetry to be crap/dumb/childish is no reason to reap it

        No, but all sound reasons for *consideration* in my book. Adding in the facts that...

        • It was posted anonymously (rare in Poetry, unless the poster suspects that it's likely to be found offensive etc.
        • Current rep of -11
        • Current monastery opinion is running at 23-6 in favour of delete.
        • It's not big and it's not clever :) It may fulfil the criteria, in the same way that "My program doesn't work" fulfils the criteria for an SOPW, but with regard to the 'spirit' of the Poetry section, it's contentless.
        ...makes me think that blokhead's consideration was a fair one.

        Ben.

Re: (parental advisory) It's just f-ing poetry
by ajdelore (Pilgrim) on Sep 10, 2003 at 15:27 UTC

    I have to agree on two different points made here:

    1. It was a bad poem. I voted -- for that reason, and that reason alone. (I usually ++ any poetry that gets posted.)
    2. Poetry is about artistic expression, plain and simple. I am strongly opposed to any attempts to censor it based on content or style. I voted to keep the poem.

    The only reason I believe that the node should be deleted is if it's NOT poetry. As bad as it is, it is still a poem and belongs here. Just because critics pan a film doesn't mean that the studio destroys the master copy.

    </ajdelore>

Re: (parental advisory) It's just f-ing poetry
by ccarden (Monk) on Sep 11, 2003 at 19:38 UTC
    A vote against the node is not a vote against the node's creator. In fact, I think that when you see the number of comments on this node, you have to feel somewhat encouraged to keep working on this.

    I am a poet, as are many programmers, and I found this not to be a very creative work. But not because of the language or the subject matter. Poems, no matter how angry or crass, should be elegant, in the sense that the poet deftly balances simplicity with complexity, without distractions caused by forcing certain lines to "work." To me, a good poem is the ultimate form of communication, in that it is very compact and yet performs so well in conveying imagery and ideas.

    I wonder if that view would apply to a good program as well?

    A Perl poem must be very difficult to create, indeed, and I applaud you for trying something that I have not yet the courage to attempt, myself. At its best, you will create something of some meaning to the reader and something of function to the user.

    I say keep honing your work, PodMaster, and don't view criticism as political flak. Perhaps some of it is not helpful to you, but the fact that someone took the time to respond means that there is something to be learned ... even if it is just that everyone has their own opinion about what poetry is or is not.

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