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My latest poem, UnitedStates::agenda

by clairudjinn (Beadle)
on Mar 20, 2003 at 21:31 UTC ( #244729=monkdiscuss: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

I agree with reaping posts that are not Perl related. I do not agree with my pure-perl work being taken down (I can still access the node, but it's not visible as an entry in Poetry). It's not like I went and tried to post this in Craft or Meditations or something. I happen to be very disturbed about the proceedings in Iraq in light of the strongarm slippery-slope the States is getting into, and I wrote a poem about it, in syntactically correct, completely compiler-friendly Perl code. It doesn't matter if you agree with the content or not. It's poetry. It's allowed to be controversial. Mark me down in reputation all you want, I really don't care. But stick to reaping the flames, not the kindling. If it's not back up soon then the people refusing to re-post it should kick themselves out of the Perl culture and go program exclusively in Java or something that doesn't purportedly advocate TMTOWTDI.

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Re: My latest poem, UnitedStates::agenda
by hossman (Prior) on Mar 20, 2003 at 22:13 UTC

    UnitedStates::agenda doesn't show up in the list of items in the Poetry section because it hasn't been "approved", which is completely normal ... lots of Nodes live long healthy lives without ever getting approved -- just like lots of Nodes never get front paged.

    It doesn't mean the node was censored. It's still linkable, it's still searchable, it still exists.

      It's approved now. I'll have to agree with clairudjinn - poetry, like any art form, is not only allowed, but in fact encouraged to be controversial.

      --
      mowgli

Re: My latest poem, UnitedStates::agenda
by Anonymous Monk on Mar 20, 2003 at 22:49 UTC

    If you use your 'poetry' with the clear intent of getting your political message across, you are breaking one of the very few rules that keep this place together, and thus your node should not be allowed to stay.

    Regardless of which message it bears.

    Let me explain.

    If you use a legitimate node to express your political views, you may be hurting somebody's feelings.

    This is not about freedom of speech, it's about keeping provocation out of the door. What you call 'kindling' was nothing more than flame bait.

    BTW, I happen to share your feelings about the US foreign politics. However, I don't like to mix up technical discussion and politics.

    PerlMonks has a tradition of avoiding censorship, but it has also a tradition of trusting its people to respect each other.

    By posting a political node disguised as a legitimate one, you are stretching the system, taking advantage of its kindness.

    What was done is not censoring, since your node is still there, but the Monastery is reacting - in the most gentle manner - against your attempt to circumvent the rules.

    You are forcing your view on other people kindness, forcing the Monastery to react to your lack of respect with some unexpected solution that shows both how you have been careless and how the system is fragile.

    I am sorry to say that, and I wish I could find a gentler way for it, but you have abused the Monastery trust, and the Monastery is trying to tell you, as gently as it can, that your node is out of place.

    The smartest thing you could do at this stage is to ask for your node to be reaped, so that you'd relieve everybody of this unnecessary burden.

    Of course you can claim that freedom of speech must be preserved at all costs, and nobody would press the matter against you. But you would show much more respect for yourself and for the community if you just could recognize that you've made a mistake and wanted to fix it.

    Peace :)

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Re: My latest poem, UnitedStates::agenda
by webfiend (Vicar) on Mar 21, 2003 at 01:26 UTC

    I don't know. I enjoy Perlmonks as a generally non-political forum. Admittedly, I chat about political stuff in the Chatterbox :-) But I like to keep my Perl forums about Perl. If I want flame wars, or if I want to read posts that I know will incite flame wars, I can go to ... well, I can go to other sites. It's a big Internet out there.


    I just realized that I was using the same sig for nearly three years.

Re: My latest poem, UnitedStates::agenda
by LD2 (Curate) on Mar 20, 2003 at 22:35 UTC
    Just to let you know, it still shows up in Newest Nodes.. I believe that hossman is correct. So, just quit worrying about it... people are still seeing it and more than likely reading it.

    I'm not sure if you care about reputation or freedom of speech. If it's reputation, don't worry about it. If it's freedom of speech - I'm not sure how much that's affected on a community moderated site. It all depends on how the gods want it.
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