Re: learning java?

Learning any new language always has it's bonuses and insights. The only thing that I think you may find boring about it is the culture.

While one of Java's strengths is its reusability culturally it almost seems as if the intellect requried to reuse it is obfuscated for competitive reasons betweeen developers. It is definately not a Perlish culture.

It has been occurring to me lately that many Java developers don't know 'why' things work just 'how' to make it so that it does. In Java's rush to abstract the differing levels of large scale application development it has made it hard to find developers that understand the bigger pictures.

Then again there is so much to J2EE it is hard to believe anyone could be expected to understand it completely.

coreolyn

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Re: Re: learning java? by lachoy (Parson) on Oct 28, 2002 at 19:12 UTC
You could, of course, say the same things about "many Perl developers" -- people who just want to get a CGI script working without caring how things work, or why something might fail. Both communities are incredibly diverse, attracting developers from all sorts of programming backgrounds and companies. And both communities have scads of open source development at all project levels. There is, however, no CPAN equivalent yet for Java. In general, I've found that folks around Perl are a bit more casual and freewheeling (although I suspect that part of this is living up to an existing reputation), but hanging around projects like JBoss or Struts for a while you'll see much the same sort of discussion and lively behavior. FWIW, my 2c, etc. Chris M-x auto-bs-mode	[reply]
Re: Re: learning java? by toiletmonster (Novice) on Oct 29, 2002 at 06:36 UTC
i like java and think its an interesting language. but i think you might be onto something there with the boring culture. i guess i had a bad experience so i'm a little biased. but i found that all the java books and java websites and the java community in general seems very business oriented and lacking in a sense of humour. really i just found the people and the atmosphere boring as heck. i'd like to get away from java and go back to c and perl because of that. the people in those areas seem more interested in low level technical details.	[reply]


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