PetaMem has asked for the wisdom of the Perl Monks concerning the following question:
Hello Regexp Alcolytes!
Disclaimer: Don't point me to Math::Roman, read the node. :)
Probably the title of this node is horribly wrong, so I try to explain my need in more detail. Let's say you have a set of regexps. Now lets say you are testing each of these regexps against a string to see if it matches or not. Something like this Roman Numeral Thingie. Meanwhile it looks slightly better:
if($str =~ s/XLVIII$/IL/ or
$str =~ s/VIII$/IX/ or
$str =~ s/III$/IV/ or
$str =~ s/DCCCXCIX$/CM/ or
$str =~ s/CCCXCIX$/CD/ or
$str =~ s/LXXXIX$/XC/ or
$str =~ s/XXXIX$/XL/ or
$str =~ s/(I{1,2})$/$1I/ or
$str =~ s/CDXCIX$/D/ or
$str =~ s/CMXCIX$/M/ or
$str =~ s/XCIX$/C/ or
$str =~ s/I([VXLCDM])$/$1/ or
$str =~ s/([VXLCDM])$/$1I/) { }
return $str;
And now there is a subroutine to answer the question if a given string actually is a roman numeral:
if($str !~ /[IVXLCDM]+/ 
$str =~ /([IXC])\1{3,}/ 
$str =~ /([VLD])\1{1,}/ 
$str =~ /I[VXLCDM][IVXLCDM]/ 
$str =~ /V[XLCDM][VXLCDM]/ 
$str =~ /L[CDM][LCDM]/ 
$str =~ /X[LCDM][XLCDM]/ 
$str =~ /C[DM][CDM]/ 
$str =~ /DM[DM]/) {
return 0;
}
return 1;
So lets return to the question. Given a set of regexps and given a wanted logical concatenation (lets start with AND,OR) of these regexps, is there any mechanism to create a smaller, more eficient set of regexps that will have the same effect?
I feel remembered to a similar problem in boolean logic, where you apply some de morgan, do transformations on complex boolean formulae and  sometimes  end up with smaller nifty formulae. Thought same should be possible
with regexps.
Thoughts? Answers? Meditation?
Bye
PetaMem
Re: A Regexp Assembler/Compiler
by AbigailII (Bishop) on Jun 19, 2002 at 15:18 UTC

Given a set of regexps and given a wanted logical concatenation (lets start with AND,OR) of
these regexps, is there any mechanism to create a smaller, more eficient set of regexps that will have the same effect?
Very unlikely given the power of Perl regular expressions.
One of the questions that you would need to answer is whether
two grammars (I use grammar here instead of regular expression
to avoid confusion later on) are equivalent; that is, whether
the will match the same language (where a language is the set
of all strings matched by a grammar). For regular expressions
(not Perl regular expressions, but for traditional ones) this
question is decidable. But for more powerful grammars on the
Chomsky hierarchy, this question is undecidable.
However, Perl regular expressions are hard to place on the
Chomsky hierarchy. Without (?{ }) or (??{ }),
Perl regular expressions cannot be used to create all context
free grammars (take the language of strings with balanced parenthesis
for instance). On the other hand, it can be used to create
grammars that are context sensitive on the Chomsky hierarchy.
(With (?{ }) it could very well be that Perl
regular expressions are at least as powerful as context free
grammars, but I don't see an obvious proof.)
My guts say that such a mechanism does not exist, that the
problem is unsolvable. If the problem is solvable, it's
going to be incredibly hard.
Abigail
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I don't think that there is anything wrong in posing this question in the language of boolean logic and set theory. Any solution set of the above subroutine will be the union of the complement of the solution set of the first regexp and the solution sets of the other regexps. Although finding a regexp whose solution set this is would be nontrivial, as AbigailII points out.
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On further reflection, it's actually quite likely that algorithms have been developed for similar problems (ie. Boolean algebra's, elimination theory etc.).
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My guts say that such a mechanism does not exist, that the problem is unsolvable. If the problem is solvable, it's going to be incredibly hard.
I agree with Abigails intuition here, but only for the language space perl regexps span in general. Considering the examples I've given above, one
sees, that there are regexps (hard ones) and regexps (next to trivial).
So my guts tell me, that for a certain subset of regexps
this problem must have a more or less achievable solution,
the more expression you'd like to handle the more "incredibly hard" it will get. But hey  then again it'll
be just incredibly possible if you allow me the s///ing of a well known citation. :)
Bye
PetaMem
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Re: A Regexp Assembler/Compiler
by RMGir (Prior) on Jun 19, 2002 at 15:27 UTC

Not _exactly_ what you want, but you can start from Regex::PreSuf.
You'd have to be able to enumerate the roman numerals you want to match to be able to use it directly, though...
$ perl MRegex::PreSuf e'my $re = presuf(qw(I II III IV V VI VII VIII
+ IX X));
print "$re\n";'
(?:I(?:II[IVX])VI(?:III)?[IVX])
That could get pretty wild :)

Mike  [reply] [d/l] 
Re: A Regexp Assembler/Compiler
by boo_radley (Parson) on Jun 19, 2002 at 16:19 UTC

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Re: A Regexp Assembler/Compiler
by demerphq (Chancellor) on Jun 19, 2002 at 15:16 UTC

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crazyinsomniac asked me to clarify what a trie is, and also the module that I meant was the one that RMGir pointed out Regexp::PreSuf, which almost for sure uses a trie implementation to do its business (I havent checked, but...)
So what is a trie? Well the first thing is that 'trie' is short for a 'patricia trie'. And yes crazyinsomniac its a form of tree. First off lets just consider a classic tree, such as a binary tree. (What all this has to do with regexes will become clear a bit later).
In common tree implementations such as a binary tree, each node holds a key. Searching the tree involves comparing the key we are looking for against the key inside of the current node. Based on the relationship (as in greater than less than etc) between the keys we follow the appropriate branch. If the keys are equal we have found our node. If we get to a leaf node without finding the key we are looking for we know the key is not present in the tree. This type of tree has a number of fairly efficient properties, such as inserting and deleting. The efficiency (look ups especially) is bound to N. (Actually its O(log_{2}N) ). This means that the number of comparisons involved is related to the number of elements in the over all data structure. Also, it may be useful to think of a binary tree as being a tree representation of a binary search (divide and conquor).
A patricia trie (or trie or digit tree or digit trie) is also a tree, however it differs quite radically (no pun intended, (you'll see :)) from a binary tree in that internal nodes usually do not carry a payload (as in they do not hold a 'key'), only external (leaf nodes) contain data. Instead the structure of the tree (er trie :) is determined by the digit of the key (at the position correlating to the depth in the trie). In a sense it may be helpful to think of a digit trie as being a tree version of a radix sort (although it doesnt sort explicitly, reading off subkeys in a sorted order would (note the pun)) This may seem a bit opaque so lets look at an example. Lets say we have the following strings 'FOOL','FOOD','FOAM','FEAR','FOLLY' we would turn them into the following structure:
F+O+O+L (FOOL)
  
  +D (FOOD)
 
 +AM (FOAM)
 
 +LLY (FOLLY)

+EAR (FEAR)
Now this structure has a number of interesting properties. First off, search efficiency is not a function of the number of items the structure holds, but rather the length of the key we are looking for, which means that it is O(1) for look ups. Unfortunately this wonderful search time (think of it, you could have 10^{12} records and still find any element in the same number of steps as there are digits in the longest key) is paid for by a very inefficient use of memory (unless the data is extraordinarily dense and the alphabet for the keys is small,) although a hybrid approach can greatly improve the memory efficiency without impacting the speed significantly. Beside the above interesting properties tries are perfect for creating an efficient regex:
/^F(O(O[LD]AMLLY)EAR)/
Actually in experiments ive done with a module I should have put on CPAN ages ago, (I'll do it today) Tie::Hash::Trie, when there are many keys it actually turns out that using a normal trie lookup outperforms the equivelent regex (only when anchored at the beginning though). A simple implementation of a trie for this purpose (generating regexes) can be found at RE (tilly) 4: SAS log scanner.
So tries are trees with some funky twists, and with an application toward prefix and suffix matching. (although only one or the other... :)
Hope that clears things up,
Updated: uc()'d the example. Minor typographic corrections, and left anchored the regex.
Yves / DeMerphq

Writing a good benchmark isnt as easy as it might look.  [reply] [d/l] 

Interesting. I explored the idea a little. The browser didn't like \0 too much, so i typed \\NULL. Thanks.
#!/usr/bin/perl w
#file://letrie.pl
use strict;
$\="\n";
my %T=();
for my $word( qw/ aba abba abbda abbaracadabra bam bamara barbara / )
+{
print $word;
my $R = \%T;
my $C = 1;
my( @word ) = $word =~ m{.}g;
my $p = "";
while(++$C < @word) {
$p = $word[$C];
if(exists $R>{$p}) {
if(ref $R>{$p}) {
$R = $R>{$p};
} else {
$R = $R>{$p} = {};
}
}else{
$R = $R>{$p} = {};
}
}
$R>{"\\NULL"}=1; # for exact match testing
}#endof for
use Data::Dumper;
$Data::Dumper::Indent=1;
$Data::Dumper::Purity=1;
$Data::Dumper::Quotekeys=1;
print Dumper \%T;
print "Is 'abba' in a trie? ",in_a_trie(\%T,'abba');
print "Is 'abbda' in a trie? ",in_a_trie(\%T,'abbda');
print "Is 'abbdr' in a trie? ",in_a_trie(\%T,'abbdr');
print "Is 'a' in a trie? ",in_a_trie(\%T,'a');
print "Is 'b' in a trie? ",in_a_trie(\%T,'b');
print "Is 'ba' in a trie? ",in_a_trie(\%T,'ba');
print "Is 'bam' in a trie? ",in_a_trie(\%T,'bam');
print "Is 'fsck' in a trie? ",in_a_trie(\%T,'fsck');
exit;
sub in_a_trie {
my( $T, $W ) = @_;
my $R = 0;
my $SH = "";
for $SH ($W =~ m{.}g) {
if(exists $T>{$SH} ) {
$T = $T>{$SH};
$R++;
} else {
return 'no';
}
}
return ($R ? 'yes' : 'no').' '
.(ref $T and $T>{"\\NULL"} ? 'exact' : 'partial' );
}
__DATA__
aba
abba
abbda
abbaracadabra
bam
bamara
barbara
$VAR1 = {
'a' => {
'b' => {
'a' => {
'\\NULL' => 1
},
'b' => {
'a' => {
'\\NULL' => 1,
'r' => {
'a' => {
'c' => {
'a' => {
'd' => {
'a' => {
'b' => {
'r' => {
'a' => {
'\\NULL' => 1
}
}
}
}
}
}
}
}
}
},
'd' => {
'a' => {
'\\NULL' => 1
}
}
}
}
},
'b' => {
'a' => {
'm' => {
'\\NULL' => 1,
'a' => {
'r' => {
'a' => {
'\\NULL' => 1
}
}
}
},
'r' => {
'b' => {
'a' => {
'r' => {
'a' => {
'\\NULL' => 1
}
}
}
}
}
}
}
};
Is 'abba' in a trie? yes exact
Is 'abbda' in a trie? yes exact
Is 'abbdr' in a trie? no
Is 'a' in a trie? yes partial
Is 'b' in a trie? yes partial
Is 'ba' in a trie? yes partial
Is 'bam' in a trie? yes exact
Is 'fsck' in a trie? no
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this is a fantastic intro to Trie. with a little beefing up and some code samples from Tie::Hash::Trie, this would make a fine tutorial.
~Particle *accelerates*
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