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Indicators for user experience

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Re: Indicators for user experience
by Dog and Pony (Priest) on May 19, 2002 at 11:47 UTC
    No. Plain and simple, no.

    Voting should in my opinion be done on the nodes, and *your* perception of the quality of them. It shouldn't be based on what someones rank is - especially not something like these ranks, that only give a hint that the person might know more or less.

    Saints make mistakes, and AnonyMonk might correct them. I dare say that it is often the other way around, but it happens. :) How would you vote then?

    And how will you ever learn to determine the quality of an answer, if all you have to go on is "Master X said so"?

    If you have no own opinion, save the vote for a node where you do. That is *my* opinion. :)

    You have moved into a dark place.
    It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
Re: Indicators for user experience
by Biker (Priest) on May 19, 2002 at 11:48 UTC

    I don't think you should decide your votes from the rank of the poster. Decide from the contents of the post instead.

    Remember that anyone can become a saint given enough time, just by voting on other nodes. (Could even become saint from downvoting enough nodes.)

    Everything went worng, just as foreseen.

Re: Indicators for user experience
by graff (Chancellor) on May 19, 2002 at 19:54 UTC
    As I come to know monks by their postings, I've been tempted to ask to see the "reputation" scores of their postings without having to vote on them myself -- in hopes of finding gems more easily.

    But then... my own "best-scoring" nodes happen to be really trivial, and just scored high because they happened to appear early on a thread that got a lot of readers (because it was such easy reading, I guess).

    I thought for a while that the ratio of XP / number of postings might be a good measure, but then I found a friar with only 14 postings -- maybe this person has done a lot of voting, becuase the posts I looked at didn't seem that strong. (Okay, I didn't look at all of them, but I think I saw enough that this person could have had at least one post on the "best nodes of all time" list... but didn't.)

      Good point. An example would be Merlyn as well. I see him getting many points on nothing in particular

      Do people vote because of who he is?

      One of my best scoring nodes was a coding issue. But I still got quite a few points on trivial stuff as well

Re: Indicators for user experience
by Marza (Vicar) on May 19, 2002 at 17:03 UTC

    I agree with the others. Titles don't always mean what they say. How many managers, directors, VPs, and or Presidents have we thought to be complete idiots?

    If you post enough and vote enough, you can become high leveled. I myself am heading to Level 6 and I would not call myself a talented programmer

    Beides seeing the titles might induce voting just to get rank rather than voting on the value of the post

All that glisters yadda yadda...
by frankus (Priest) on May 20, 2002 at 10:42 UTC
    XP is as relevant to a person's views
    as, perhaps, wealth is to happiness.

    to learn such lessons can be painful,
    and yet the knowledge is worth it's price....

    Beware of monks bearing platitudes,
    they're just after your XP ;)


    Brother Frankus. ( Nearly a Pontiff and still a simpleton ;)


Re: Indicators for user experience
by tstock (Curate) on May 19, 2002 at 21:35 UTC
    There have been many discussions here about what the experience points and levels mean, and I think that at this point nobody considers them indicative of "perl experience".

    While it is true that most higher level monks are very experienced and knowledgeable, having less experience points does NOT mean less perl experience and that their nodes should be considered for voting any differently.

    Even if experience points meant real experience, why should this affect how you vote ? Though there are no guidelines on when to upvote or downvote a node, but one thing is for certain, you're voting on the node, not the person posting it.


Re: Indicators for user experience
by hagus (Monk) on May 19, 2002 at 22:26 UTC
    An unfortune side effect of asking this question seems to be that my XP has been smashed into the ground. -10 !! I was just making a suggestion, I had no idea I would get so drilled for it. So quit kicking me in the pants everyone! Once was enough.

    Ash OS durbatulk, ash OS gimbatul,
    Ash OS thrakatulk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul!
    Uzg-Microsoft-ishi amal fauthut burguuli.

      So quit kicking me in the pants everyone! Once was enough.

      Who are you talking to? Nobody downvoted your node twice. If the node's rep is at -10 that means there were 10 more people who downvoted it than upvoted it.

      If 50 people see a node and think it's just barely worth a ++ then the node will have a 50 rep. If 20 people see an absolutely incredible node and think it's worth as many upvotes as possible, it will still only have a 20 rep. I haven't heard anyone claim a node's rep is in any way indicative of its quality.

      Your suggestion was completely valid, so don't worry if you lose a few xp by bringing it up. Better to have a good discussion and reduce an imaginary number slightly than to increase that imaginary number while not learning anything.

Re: Indicators for user experience
by hossman (Prior) on Jun 03, 2002 at 23:33 UTC
    This discussion is a little old and stale at this point, but if anyone is interested, a reason why it's a good idea occured to me yesterday when i only had a few minutes to browse the site....

    I typically only look at the Newest Nodes node, skim it, look for Node names that jump out at me, things that look interested, etc... on this particular page I would love if there was some designation of user "level"

    "Why?" you ask ... because if my time is sort, I don't really want to spend it looking over "trivial" questions from newbies. That may seem harsh, but it's true. sometimes I'm in the mood to be helpful, and read very basic questions and give very basic answers. But other times I'm here for me -- I want to read things that are challenging and interesting and weren't posted here under a different name 3 days ago. The simple truth is that, on average, nodes posted by people with high XP tend to be of a higher caliber then people with low XP (the nature of the moderation system system basicly dictates it will allways be that way.)

    Should people vote based on XP? absolutely not. But letting people pick which nodes deserve their valuable time based on the XP of the poster is just a valid an idea as letting them pick based on the Node Tension.

Re: Indicators for user experience
by newrisedesigns (Curate) on May 24, 2002 at 20:46 UTC

    By having some form of indication (such as an XP graph) is wrong.

    A reader can't help but be biased, overlooking an acolyte's post for a (seemingly) better pontiff's.

    A reader would also have less faith in Saint So-and-so if they had an error.

    No offense, but just because a user has a high rank doesn't mean they should have prescendence. Hypothetically speaking, suppose a Perl 6 programmer recently joined, his or her PerlMonks level would be low, being a "newbie," but does that accurately reflect his or her knowledge?

    By having any publicized indicator of your rank would do a disservice to all monks.

    John J Reiser

Re: Indicators for user experience
by George_Sherston (Vicar) on Jun 05, 2002 at 14:33 UTC
    Hang around a while and you'll get to know the *names* worth reading. Title's irrelevant. There are great monks who are not yet Saints, whereas I myself am the living proof that one *can* get to be a Saint by no talent beside one for continuous regular breathing over several months.

    George Sherston

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