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Re: Re: Send more money - the Perl Foundation needs you!

by ask (Pilgrim)
on Mar 28, 2002 at 22:09 UTC ( #155134=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re: Send more money - the Perl Foundation needs you!
in thread Send more money - the Perl Foundation needs you!

What's with all this downvoting the 1st reply to my posting? Please don't do that! It's all valid points and just because you disagree you should not give it minus points.

I too would actually much rather see the money go to Dan than to Damian. I understand the value of his contributions better and I believe he needs the grant more than Damian who I would think can get his way paid by teaching more easily.

For Larry then I am happy to help sponsoring him even if it's hard to see what he actually does. He has been more involved since O'Reilly laid him off and even if not then I don't mind giving him money for "past performance". :-)

 - ask

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Send Money -- Perl Foundation, Dissention
by clintp (Curate) on Mar 28, 2002 at 22:43 UTC
    Agreed. ask++ Dissenters need a break too.

    A *real* troll would have made the post personal in some way. I'll pile on a bit since the window's open. Watch my karma drop! :)

    In a way, I agree with him/her. Dan's contributions are very solid, concrete, he's doing something. He's writing code that will be practical one day -- it'll get used as the base for a real language I'm sure, if not the Wolkenkuckucksheim Perl.

    Damian's contributions are of a far less practical nature. His modules tend to be more academic and interesting than practical. (And his practical modules are updated far too infrequently.) To be honest: if it's not practical, then I'm not paying for it.

    I've attended a few of his talks, and they're very entertaining. Being in the midwest my opportunity to actually see one of these is generally limited to my YAPC pilgrimmage. I get to see him fly overhead an awful lot. And his monthly travelogues are worth the money. Wait, no they're not.

    Larry is a sensitive point: anything less than a glowing opinion will cause crateloads of rotting onions to show up in my mailbox I'm sure. He is more active now on the Perl 6 lists. That's nice. Apocalypses are still too far between though for my tastes though. As far as his ORA situation, well, times are tough all over. I'm more ambivalent than anything else about Larry's situation. *shrugs* (He's a really, really nice guy though!)

If Larry's worth it, so is Damian
by pdcawley (Hermit) on Apr 04, 2002 at 12:05 UTC
    Don't believe me? Try looking at the Apocalypses and the Exegeses as a dialogue between two exceptionally smart people.

    Larry writes an apocalypse, and Damian then sets about interpreting that to produce some 'real' code. And in doing this he trips over possible problems with the Apocalypse so he goes back to Larry for clarifications and/or bugfixes, and so the design evolves.

    What we have here is a case of two heads being better than one. I am utterly convinced that without Damian's input the Perl6 design process would be even slower than it already is. I'm also expecting it to accelerate. A/E 3&4 are fundamental to the workings of Perl 6.

    As for the length of time that E4 took, Damian has said that the first draft exposed some flaws in A4 and those took a good long while to fix. It can't have helped either that Damian hasn't been well.

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