So, I mention sysadmins because the nature of the job as I've seen it (overworked, trying to fix an emergency, not usually a full-time coder) tends to breed some ugly perl. It wasn't meant to be a slur, and I'm sorry if it sounded like one. I could say the same thing about people learning perl by looking at Matt's Script Archive or some other bad CGI stuff, except that Matt really has no excuse for his code.