And for many good reasons. The communities who's wheels we are reinventing are not open. They are not welcoming. They are anally retentive. They expect us to bend to their rules. Well Perl always made its own rules, and for that it needs a VM made for them. But they should perhaps look back at themselves and think just why we're reinventing wheels. Perhaps they need to reinvent their own rulebooks? I mean how successful has Smalltalk and Scheme really been in the commercial world? Not terribly. Even compared to Perl's small standards.