I don't disagree with your sentiment.

Perlmonks, of all places, shut down the Code Catacombs for no apparent reason.

Here's the reason (it was an oddly-implemented section whereas CUFP is a standard section and therefore easier to maintain). Why not post in CUFP?

We are shunned and ignored, or if we try to share apps here: downvoted and ridiculed

Really? WebPerl is one of the best things to happen this year and the posts about it here have been neither downvoted nor ridiculed. Perhaps you have a counter-example?

there is no decent place to put them online

Decency is subjective of course, but in addition to Cool Uses For Perl there is GitLab, github, SourceForge*, etc. And there's nothing to stop you putting apps on CPAN if you so wish.

* Not my favourite

Decency is subjective of course, but in addition to Cool Uses For Perl there is GitLab, github, SourceForge*, etc. And there's nothing to stop you putting apps on CPAN if you so wish.

I hate to disagree with someone who doesn't disagree with me but CUFP is for somewhat trivial awesomeness, is not organized, and is subject to anonymous griefers. SourceForge sold out its users TWICE by bundling malware with previously free software. GitHub sold out their users to... *gasp* ...Microsoft! GitLab will never survive the next move by corporate parasites to consolidate control of free software. Who would NOT sell a mere website for: THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS? For-profit corporations offering things for "free", especially on the internet, have proven again and again that they can not be trusted. I do agree that CPAN is the proper place but it is more of a technical site than a consumer portal, and not as comprehensive as the old script archive suggests it planned to be...

I also was on board with your post for the first bit. This and the follow up–

I have tens of thousands of lines of kick ass Perl apps in use every day on my desktop that no one else will ever get to benefit from because there is no decent place to put them online.

–make you sound like logicus to me. I have about 2,000 CGIs in old trees and uncountable scripts and one-liners plus a few hundred modules I never released. They’re where they are and where they’ll stay because they’re a) an embarrassing mess, b) too specific and nearly worthless as a general release, or c) overly ambitious, never to be finished, v0.00_000001. Miles and miles lie between diligent, busy, prolific and polished, professional, potable. There are and always have been many places to distribute personal software.

Webperl is an amazing piece of work and is being judged on that merit and the tremendous street cred haukex has built up with excellent post after excellent post; it is not remotely a reboot of PerlScript which is what I take the 2000 reference to be about.

it is not remotely a reboot of PerlScript which is what I take the 2000 reference to be about.

External observations versus interals oberservations

WebPerl is not an "app" its perl :)

Offering up WebPerl as an example of an app announcement that was welcomed and not downvoted/poopooed is a misdirect

Okay. Devil’s abogado. Let’s dispense with the misdirects. Name an application that was downvoted or a target for ærial defecation.

how are application authors "supported" in the PHP world?

Also, what problems has AM experienced in posting an App:: module on cpan? What support was lacking?

Also, what problems has AM experienced in posting an App:: module on cpan? What support was lacking?

With all due respect, this is the blind spot, right here: App::

A namespace is too little too late and targets the wrong audience.

Only programmers use CPAN, not the typical end users of applications.

But it is good that it exists at all...

>> Perl would be in a very different place if CPAN had supported application authors

>how are application authors "supported" in the PHP world?

I don't know but it doesn't seem relevant. The script archive at CPAN proves that someone had a wonderful idea long ago that was deemed unimportant. If it was properly developed we would now have a "Perlbrew" that functions like "Homebrew" for Perl apps. I am quite sure if this had happened Perl would not have peaked at #3 below C and C++ but Perl would be #1 to this day (due to the extreme skills possessed by so many monks) .

Years ago I planned to write an apt-get like utility for the catacombs, and the other code sections, but they shut it all down. No excuse can convince me this was an insurmountable technical problem. My specialty is hacking major features into live websites built with Perl with no downtime, and no tests whatsoever. :-)

BTW the perlbrew site is broken: perlbrew.pl

Sounds like drivel to me.

Cheers Rolf
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