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Re^4: Welcoming New Users and Accepting Site Reviews
by HugoNo1 (Novice) on Oct 03, 2018 at 08:47 UTC
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Thank you for the Link at
https://perlmonks.org/?node_id=555609
Yes, I always supposed that PerlMonks were done by professionals in their free time.
Obviously the site was written for Web Programmers because it's comment markup is very hard to get right for someone who is not familiar with HTML markup.
But in difference to those other projects it did not progress visibly.
I put WordPress as an example because it is also very old but kept always progressing.
And because of its friendly welcoming attitude and its open source code it makes it easy to contribute little pieces. Even if somebody can not spare much time.
And I myself have already contributed a little improvement to them. Even though I'm still new there too ...
Why did I post my complain on here?
Nowadays PerlMonks is still the flagship project for the Perl Community.
https://www.perl.org/community.html
And it is the first impression that counts many times. And there is no second chance for the first impression.
Perhaps others turn just away without saying anything ...
I'm very sure they already do.
So having a nice userfriendly site makes Perl Programming attractive.
And having a google-friendly site will bring people to your site and represent it as an Authority for Perl Programming Questions.
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"And having a google-friendly site will bring people to your site and represent it as an Authority for Perl Programming Questions."
Posts to the site are indexed very quickly by Google, what makes you think the site is not "google-friendly"? What evidence do you have for this?
"Obviously the site was written for Web Programmers because it's comment markup is very hard to get right for someone who is not familiar with HTML markup."
Examples for the major things like code tags, as well as links which give many examples of how to do everything else are linked to each time you post. You can't have looked at them.
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> But in difference to those other projects it did not progress visibly.
Perlmonks is much more than the "visible parts".
But FWIW regarding visible style, it's possible to turn TobyInk's bootstrap style (see screen shot) into a regular theme by applying a dedicated "generalParent_container".
This wouldn't be the default theme, but a good start to develop one (it still has several issues, like breaking other JS code° and we need backwards compatibility for (browser-)static HTML)
IMHO this theme should include a hook such that everyone could inject his own JS code from his Display Settings - like it's possible to inject one's own CSS - to allow further evolution.
(PMdev's can neither create or fork code-nodes, they can only provide patches to existing nodes and hope the gods accept them. And they don't have access to all the code. To further complicate things they can't test patches in a sandbox.)
> Thank you for the Link at
https://perlmonks.org/?node_id=555609
Honestly I doubt you are really interested in the gory details of the monasteries engine, since you didn't care to figured out yet how to set a proper link.*
Otherwise I could link to some documentation ...
*) I have a nodelet hack which automatically turns text like https://perlmonks.org/?node_id=555609 into meaningful links like Can I get the PerlMonks source code?
°) there is a long traditional reluctance against complicating the code-base with JS. And PMDevs are Perl experts, not designers excelling in CSS. The solution would be to decouple these domains.
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> it still has several issues, like breaking other JS code° and we need backwards compatibility for deactivated JS
To be fair, only the fact that PM is almost devoid of any JS functionality (I'm only aware of two or three little snippets) makes it possible to plug-in an up-to-date framework now.
It would be far more difficult if we had to adopt any millennial JS code now.
This is an advantage we shouldn't loose, by keeping the raw HTML version functioning. Like this we'd be able to plug-in the next generation framework in a decade.
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Many feel as you do. It is not clear if big infrastructure changes would ever see the light of day here, if someone had enough initiative to even post something that people liked. That initiative would not be hard to take since there are plenty of scrapeable nodes, but few go that far.
Also Pair sponsors Perlmonks so nobody is stepping up to invest in the infrastructure they want.
Perlmonks has a winning formula, but you can too. If you build it, they will come. New site can link to here, they can link to there, probably would be mutually beneficial relationship. Almost guaranteed to succeed. Enough users have quit here that you would probably pick up at least 10-20 in the first month that just couldn't stand unanswered Perl questions laying around on the internet.
Sell some ads or perl books or camels or whatever, make some money, reinvest it and buy some new attractive content that the brightest Perl minds have to offer, attract some recruiters and sell them job listing, eventually culminating into a best selling autobiography about your success and fly in helicopters, get old and donate all your money to charity saving hundreds of thousands of lives.. It could happen.
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