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Re^13: The Future of Perl 5

by liz (Monsignor)
on Aug 30, 2018 at 11:29 UTC ( #1221363=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??

in reply to Re^12: The Future of Perl 5
in thread The Future of Perl 5

Yeah. Delusions of grandeur. Things we need in the Perl community. Glad we have Camelia.

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Re^14: The Future of Perl 5
by LanX (Cardinal) on Aug 30, 2018 at 12:02 UTC
    This whole fight is of little use, unless Larry finally releases

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
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Re^14: The Future of Perl 5
by BrowserUk (Pope) on Aug 30, 2018 at 12:14 UTC

    Better delusions of grandeur than delusions of worth; the former is harmless.

    With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
    Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
    "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority". The enemy of (IT) success is complexity.
    In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice. Suck that fhit

      My very selfish look on life:

      • Whatever it is that you're doing, it must at least on average be fun to do.
      • Whatever it is that you're doing, assume it is only to learn from it yourself.
      • If anybody benefits from what you're doing, that's bonus.

      If you're in open source for anything else, I think you're setting yourself up for a huge disappointment.

Bullying Isn't Effective Advocacy
by chromatic (Archbishop) on Aug 30, 2018 at 19:57 UTC
    Delusions of grandeur.

    Please stop.

    I've asked you repeatedly to stop smearing me (2).

    Someone on the Internet has a different opinion than you do—what do you hope to get out of calling into question their mental and emotional health in various forums where they do and especially where they do not participate?

    Is your goal to bully people into not saying things anywhere because you're going to impugn their motives, make up things about them, promise to stop when you get called out, then do it again?

    That doesn't seem very effective.

    One of Larry's goals with the P6 announcement was to recreate the community so that it was more helpful and kind. One of Audrey's goals was to encourage the community to acknowledge disagreement and criticism with honesty and kindness and respect.

    I don't see how those goals are served by misrepresenting history and accusing people of bizarre conspiracies.

    Even if Rakudo addressed all of my technical concerns, I would think twice about using it for anything because of this.

    Update: I had forgotten that raiph was pulling the same trick at least five years ago.

      I asked a simple question as to why you didn't want to be credited for your work on Perl 6. And you respond with

      Because I'm not a member of the DGA and felt it would be inappropriate to re-credit my work to Alan Smithee.

      The answer to me implies that you, at one time, considered yourself to be the director of the Perl 6 project. My "delusions of grandeur" remark referred to that, since I was under the impression that Perl 6 was a community project and as such you overrepresented your role in the project by referencing the DGA and Alan Smithee

      Alan Smithee (also Allen Smithee) is an official pseudonym used by film directors who wish to disown a project.

      Is there another way that your answer should be interpreted? If so, please let me know.

      With regards to the title: According to my dictionary, the verb "to bully" means "use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something". As far as I know, I've not been forcing you to do anything. But I am flattered by your assumption of me having "superior strength or influence". I wish I had, but am afraid I have neither.

      With regards to your reference to smearing: my dictionary defines the verb "to smear" as "damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations". The noun "accusation" is defined as "a charge or claim that someone has done something illegal or wrong". For what it's worth, I don't think delusions of grandeur are illegal or wrong in or of themselves.

        Is there another way that your answer should be interpreted?

        Yes; it's an analogy.

        I don't know how many other people have their names in the CREDITs file. Dozens for sure. Hundreds perhaps. I'd be happy to be in the company of all those wonderful people, but I don't like how this project turned out, I don't endorse it, and I don't care to be associated with the end product.

        Analogies are never perfect.

        According to my dictionary...

        You shouldn't need to refer to a dictionary to determine if your behavior is kind.

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