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Re^7: The Future of Perl 5

by chromatic (Archbishop)
on Aug 22, 2018 at 15:53 UTC ( [id://1220847]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^6: The Future of Perl 5
in thread The Future of Perl 5

And I am continually saddened by your insistence on pouring salt into the Perl 6 inflicted wound that you seem to have.

And I am continually disappointed that P6 advocacy just can't help making things personal.

P6 burned through multiple project managers, burned out multiple technical leads, threw away multiple dead ends, but the real problem is pepole who point this out.

I guess it's a Please Clap strategy.

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Re^8: The Future of Perl 5
by LanX (Saint) on Aug 22, 2018 at 15:58 UTC
    You guys keep quarreling about the past while we need a strategy for the future.

    Cheers Rolf
    (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
    Wikisyntax for the Monastery FootballPerl is like chess, only without the dice

      Maybe Perl5 will follow in the footsteps of COBOL. 20 years from now, high pay will go to the few programmers who can still repair/update Perl5 legacy code. :-)

      I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth. ..... an animated JAPH
        Probably...

        So what's the salary of TCL experts nowadays? :)

        Cheers Rolf
        (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
        Wikisyntax for the Monastery FootballPerl is like chess, only without the dice

      we need a strategy for the future

      You're right! I'd like that strategy not to repeat the mistakes of the past.

      For example, I think we should collectively acknowledge that deliberate fragmentation, in the hope that we'll have eventual convergence, has rarely worked for us. Experimenting with multiple competing object systems on the CPAN and hoping eventually something will get into the core has left us with a core that's (apart from mro and parent) unchanged since 5.004 or so for objects with any sizable CPAN dependency chain pulling in multiple competing object systems.

        That sounds more like, “I want you all to admit you were wrong,” than it sounds like a strategy leading to any action items. It also sounds like retconning strongly against the grain of what the CPAN is; an uncurated collection, not a collective or even its gentrified cousin, a democracy.

Re^8: The Future of Perl 5
by liz (Monsignor) on Aug 22, 2018 at 23:06 UTC
    And I am continually disappointed that P6 advocacy just can't help making things personal.

    Last time I checked, we're all people of flesh and blood. People who make announcements. Whether they be in bad faith or not. If you think this is all not personal in some form or another, you have a pretty inhuman view of the Perl community.

    In this particular case, I thought I was giving good advice to somebody who clearly is in agony. Nothing more, nothing less. Think of that what you will. People who know me a little better than just from online interactions, know that's a thing that I do.

        I'm sorry you think of this as smearing you in public. Apparently I can do no good with you. I will therefore refrain from replying to anything you say in public from now on. Cause that is apparently what you want from me.

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