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Re^4: The Future of Perl 5

by raiph (Deacon)
on Aug 19, 2018 at 22:19 UTC ( [id://1220660]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^3: The Future of Perl 5
in thread The Future of Perl 5

Fyi, from Ovid's talk, his three self-imposed requirements for the ideas he was willing to include regarding the future of P5:

  • Achievable
  • No magic
  • Must still look like Perl

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Re^5: The Future of Perl 5
by BrowserUk (Patriarch) on Aug 20, 2018 at 02:25 UTC

    Two words: too & late. "Perl", pre-or-post-fixed by anything, is in the hospice. Not quite dead, but terminal and only ever leaving feet first.

    The seeds of its death were sewn a long time ago; by it's original author. With malice aforethought.


    With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
    Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
    "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority". The enemy of (IT) success is complexity.
    In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice. Suck that fhit
      We have a group of people doing bits of marketing for Perl and getting (small, but still) results from that, People like Mark Keating, Liz Mattijsen, Curtis Poe, and me. We have noticed a changing image of Perl at open source conferences: until 5 years ago, we often got biting remarks like "Perl is dead/dying" and "really, people still work with Perl?". We hardly ever get such remarks anymore. Maybe on acidic places like Reddit. It may even sound unbelievable to you, but nowadays we are even getting compliments because of the good things that happen with both Perl 5 and Perl 6 and the nice marketing stuff we hand out and the positive vibes that come out of all our volunteers at such conferences. Therefore it is frustrating and demotivational that it's mostly Perl-people who still make extremely negative remarks about Perl (5|6). If you love Perl so much, could you please try to make things better instead of worse? I don't see the use nor need to say such bad things to/about people who work hard to try to make Perl better, and give Perl a better name.
        Thank you for all the work you do for Perl. May I suggest that Perl-people who make "extremely negative remarks about Perl" are not actually Perl-people but trolls posing as Perl-people? Some people promote their agenda by disrupting societies perceived as competitive, with a big smile on an unfriendly face. We need solidarity in the Programming Republic of Perl!

        Statements like "Perl is dead/dying" and "really, people still work with Perl?" are so stupid they should be met with laughter and reciprocal jokes about the troll and whatever language their boss forces them to use. If they want war, give 'em hell. Just write apps in Perl that no one can live without, it's that easy!

        One big difference between Perl's good old days and today is the mass commercialization of computer software. The average JAPH used to be a friendly tinkerer with a programming hobby. Now they have degrees in computer science, obsess over theoretical constructs, and have a lot to lose if their favorite language doesn't pay the rent. So we have vicious language wars...

        until 5 years ago, we often got biting remarks like "Perl is dead/dying" and "really, people still work with Perl?". We hardly ever get such remarks anymore.

        The only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about.

        When you start gauging the interest and market potential of a product by whether anyone can be bothered to say anything negative about it; you've lost the battle.


        With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
        Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
        "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority". The enemy of (IT) success is complexity.
        In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice. Suck that fhit
      Never say never.

      Do you remember how people used to talk about Javascript 15 years ago?

      Cheers Rolf
      (addicted to the Perl Programming Language :)
      Wikisyntax for the Monastery FootballPerl is like chess, only without the dice

      Ah... always good to get some positive vibes. Too bad about the "it's" errors.
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