i will not continue this conversation any further.

Why haven't you done what you said you'll do?

troll just got here it seems

now on to your message. the topic of discussion was "purpose". i guess i have to spell it out for you. the "between the lines" version is:

- no purpose, which seemingly (please answer question in bold!) is your views, aligns with no creator.
AND
- purpose aligns with a creator.

to me your whole argument is counter productive and you have resorted to personal attacks because you've run out of things to pull from your bag of bullshit!

i chose to respond (just like this response) because what you are saying is a deflection and just an attempt to derail the argument because you have nothing but OPNIONS on the subject. the facts i gave you about quantum mechanics are provable by anyone who has the means to test it. your whole argument is full of quotes that are peoples opinion lol.

even though you have been asked, by me, MANY times, you still have not provided me with facts/discoveries that support your views and you also havent really even told anyone directly what your own views are. instead you have provided me with darwins evolution, and a horror quote from someone, and a link to someone rambling on how someone stopped discovering things because they didnt have the means to discover the things we are able to in the present. but anyways, you let charming words lead your views. ill let the facts lead mine.

P.S. i can tell when someone has no clue what they are talking about, while also derailing a thread/arguement, when they start using terms like "red herring". i retract my earlier comment about not responding any further. lets continue this debate. i can predict your next message! your comment will either be a personal attack... a warm and charming quote from someone else which is merely an opinion... or you will say "red herring" again and again. go ahead and prove me wrong!

P.S.S dont forget to answer the question in this comment! lol

If you weren't trolling, you might notice the irony of accusing me of deflecting, while doing so yourself. Asking about my beliefs is a classic way of deflecting attention from the fact that the "evidence" you presented is nothing but speculation and argument from ignorance. You can't fix the gaping holes in your reasoning so instead you try to start a new debate about what you think I believe.

If you weren't trolling, you wouldn't pretend to be an agnostic. If you really were agnostic, you'd know that there are 3 options (not 2 as you pretend) when it comes to belief: 1) believing X is true, 2) believing X is false, 3) not having a belief about about the truth or falsehood of X.

But why bother with rational thinking when you can just read between the lines.

If you weren't trolling, you wouldn't pretend that you have a deeper understanding of the scientific method and cosmology than a real astrophysicist.

I have no more questions for the witness. Happy trolling.

                                                                      
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holli

You can lead your users to water, but alas, you cannot drown them.

You can't fix the gaping holes in your reasoning so instead you try to start a new debate about what you think I believe.

what "gaping holes" exactly? when you say "gaping holes" i am not sure what you mean because i have only provided my beliefs and discoveries. you came to me, asked me about my own beliefs, then said the beliefs were ridiculous... in not so many words. when i asked about your beliefs you seemingly hid behind your computer and did not say anything about it and have chosen the defensive path (which is fine but it does hinder a conversation lol). that is the act of a coward. and you protect that cowardliness by beating around the bush, deflecting, and talking in circles. lol

also, get it right. an agnostic person does not claim to KNOW if any god exists or not. i do not KNOW (theist) or DENY (atheist) if any god exists, and you seem to think that i do in fact. i have only gave you discoveries and my BELIEFS. you need to stop misleading based on your opinions and stop trying to be cool in front of your friends. what the hell is this? high school?

my predictions were correct! you responded with yet another personal attack! nice deflection skills!

i will ask again. what is your beliefs? or are you just trolling me? me asking about your beliefs, in a thread about if the universe was created or not, is not an attempt to deflect. it is an attempt to continue a productive conversation. if you aint ready to tell your beliefs then your in the wrong conversation sir.