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Re^3: Rand地達rand

by InfiniteSilence (Curate)
on Mar 30, 2017 at 16:07 UTC ( #1186511=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Re^2: Rand地達rand
in thread Ayn Rand vs. Stewart Brand

To all this objectivist talk I respond: to all things their own season.

What I listen for in every philosophy are absolutes. They are the 'tell' for intolerance.

When I was a kid playing basketball I was a pretty bad dribbler and my shots were lousy and off-balance but I learned pretty quickly how to 'read' a person's stance, their eyes, head position, and eventually whatever 'tells' they consistently presented before driving for a shot. I would strategically place myself in their path with my hands right where the ball was going to be. Result? Either they fouled me or the ball would pop right out into of one of my teammate's paths. Score!

We do not live in a binary world, so a discussion of opposites is often illusory. The ancient symbol of the yin and yang are superior to this form of thinking. In all good there is some bad and vice versa.

Next, back to this business of seasons. True, the weak require altruism. So do ones children. So do plants in the field. So do bees and crocodiles from time to time. When altruism is overused, like too much medicine, it becomes a problem. When objectivism is overused, similarly, it becomes a problem.

Celebrate Intellectual Diversity

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Re^4: Rand地達rand
by Your Mother (Archbishop) on Mar 30, 2017 at 16:22 UTC

    To be clear, none of those quotes is mine. I was just rebutting the dissonant juxtaposition.

    Child pornography should be allowed in some cases if you池e right since it痴 not absolutely wrong; being there are no absolutes. Slavery and theft and murder must have their places too; etc, etc, etc.

    We live in binary world in many senses; life itself being the prime example. Being alive or dead is pretty binary. And as programmers we deal in logic and math which is absolute; at least at the Newtonian level.

      We live in binary world in many senses; life itself being the prime example. Being alive or dead is pretty binary.

      How do you map people in persistent vegetative states and unborn fetus' to 0 & 1?

      How about someone in the first 4 minutes after their heart has stopped beating?

      How about that same person after the four minutes is up, but before their nails and hair have stopped growing?


      With the rise and rise of 'Social' network sites: 'Computers are making people easier to use everyday'
      Examine what is said, not who speaks -- Silence betokens consent -- Love the truth but pardon error.
      "Science is about questioning the status quo. Questioning authority". The enemy of (IT) success is complexity.
      In the absence of evidence, opinion is indistinguishable from prejudice.

        One definition of life is via thermodynamics. Here I'd offer the analogy of rapids: there is a drop of level and it is pretty sharp. Before some event (heart attack), a modest intervention might have prolonged life, if only for an hour. After the event, this effort would be colossal. The life form has ceased to be self-sustaining; there is an irreversible change of entropy.

        As Anonymous Monk said, thermodynamics is one aspect. There are others.

        One could say that life is a state machine. If an event leads to an unresolvable state, the engine stops, and after consuming the timeout - if any - exits, if no outside event comes in which resolves the state at hand.

        Looking at the case of somebody with a heart attack: does some help from outside come in (0|1)? Does it come in time to avoid damage (0|1)? As time progresses, so does the damage (think last loop of DESTROY), until the state machine finally exits.

        There's the famous psychologist Victor Frankl who coined life (and reality, irreality and future, past, present) in terms of decisions. Life is a constant call for decisions. Among all the possibilities for decisions at hand, only the chosen one can become a reality; all others are irreal after the decision making. So reality is the sum of all decisions taken; and when there are no more decisions available, life ends.

        And that's what's pretty binary: either you decide yourself, or you don't (in which case other parts of the state machine might or not carry out the choice for you).

        Of course the engines of the layers physics (time, space, matter, energy) and psychics (configuration of the former) are intertwined, so there is never a clear binary state except the last, which has been one, and now and then is zero (apologists of reincarnation object, of course).

        Third, if dimensions are quantised, so must be time, energy, and gravitation, since they are intertwined. This resolves the race of Achilles and the tortoise. Even if we give in to Zenon and trade division for time, there is no infinite (=eternal) division: it stops at the quantum level. Either Achilles passed the tortoise, or didn't (0|1). That's a quantum leap in space and time. Of which we can conclude that both Achilles and the tortoise are bucking in their advancement - as we all do. *sigh*

        perl -le'print map{pack c,($-++?1:13)+ord}split//,ESEL'

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