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Re^3: Editing node titles w.r.t. Perl 6
by LanX (Saint) on Nov 23, 2016 at 16:58 UTC
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While I agree with you, I'm reluctant to repeat a discussion we just had not long ago.
Please don't fall into the trap to feed a certain monk, who tries to push his agenda again and again by attacking Perl6 posts.
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Well, since you brought it up.
You may try to make it seem like one person's grudge, but the vote counts inconveniently show a consistent 25% to 50% minority of voters agrees with me. not-Perl6 is not Perl and should have its own name, its own CPAN, and its own community learning website. It should stand on its own two feet (after 16 years!) or fall on its face, but quit riding on Perl's reputation, undermining it, and spreading confusion.
The way forward always starts with a minimal test.
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You may try to make it seem like one person's grudge, but the vote counts inconveniently show a consistent 25% to 50% minority of voters agrees with me. not
Its common folly to read too much into votes, or percentages ... lots of people downvote for bad formmating, lots of people downvote actual working code answers for whatever reason ... votes, they're very moody
There is a right way and a wrong way to chime-in on somebody's question, your way is the wrong way it comes off as "hate" , but its not too much of a deal if the volume of such posts is very low
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Re^3: Editing node titles w.r.t. Perl 6
by Bod (Parson) on Jan 06, 2024 at 22:00 UTC
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Besides... Perlmonks is declining in activity. I for one welcome anyone who's willing to ask questions here
Perhaps we needed to ask, and still need to ask: "What would need to happen for PerlMonks to grow in activity?" (as distinct from "grow inactivity"!)
Other than The Monastery, I know little about other Perl communities and gatherings. Do wiser Monks believe that the majority of serious1 Perl coders frequent here? If they do, then the question is wider and becomes: "What would have to happen to get Perl to become a more universally used language?"
1 define "serious" however you like...
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What would need to happen for PerlMonks to grow in activity?
In the early 2000s, I tried Perl Monks and Stack Overflow and Perl related mailing lists.
At first I liked the mailing lists (especially fun with perl ...
though not perl 5 porters, which I found to be the opposite of fun ;-).
Over time, I stopped visiting SO and posting to Perl mailing lists,
but stuck with Perl Monks, mainly due to the enjoyable sense of community here.
Having said that, I don't know how to promote and enhance the Perl Monks sense of community. Suggestions welcome.
What would have to happen to get Perl to become a more universally used language?
This is easier to answer: make Perl more attractive for new projects!
As argued convincingly in the Why Perl Didn't Win essay,
an ecosystem focused on maintaining existing projects, rather than creating new projects,
will be less attractive for new projects :) ... and being adopted for new projects is how you win the language
war in the long run.
This interesting topic is analysed in much more detail at Organizational Culture (Part VI): Sociology.
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> What would need to happen for PerlMonks to grow in activity?
Bod, just remembered I contemplated the general problem of Organizational Culture Change a while back,
even speculating on Perl culture changes over the years ...
though not on Perl Monks culture changes.
If you choose not to attempt to explicitly change your organization's culture, it will change anyway.
Culture is evolving all the time.
-- from Organizational Culture (Part II): Meta Process
Interested to hear thoughts on how Perl Monks culture has changed over the years ...
and what sort of culture changes might be tried to increase PM activity.
Curiously, in the very early days, vroom tried to boost this site's popularity
by encouraging Perl "celebrities", such as merlyn, to hang out here.
Perl Monks Culture References
Culture References Added Later
Interesting to speculate on what effect these new features had on PerlMonks culture and/or activity.
Linking on Perl Monks
Updating Nodes on Perl Monks
General References
See Also
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> Do wiser Monks believe that the majority of serious1 Perl coders frequent here?
No. Many different "Perl communities" with random mutual overlap.
> Definition of serious
I talked to some attendants of conferences, to perlmongers (= local user groups) and to CPAN authors on other channels.
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