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in reply to Re^2: Find your own monastery: "Perl 6" is not Perl, and Perl is not a Dinosaur
in thread Find your own monastery: "Perl 6" is not Perl, and Perl is not a Dinosaur
Dinosaurs don't rule. They're extinct.
The impression that Perl used to rule, and is now extinct, is exactly the impression we have to counter out in the working world. To have The Perl Foundation distributing t-shirts with a dinosaur for Perl and a butterfly for "Perl 6" just makes it looks like there's a real agenda at play there.
Erratum: As I said, "makes it look..." Further digging has revealed that the dinosaur logo was created in 2011 and its creator intended in part to counter the perception that Perl was nearing extinction. A misguided theory in my view, but one that is not new, as I thought, and alleged.
The way forward always starts with a minimal test.
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Re^4: Find your own monastery: "Perl 6" is not Perl, and Perl is not a Dinosaur
by Your Mother (Archbishop) on Feb 08, 2016 at 14:18 UTC
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Birds are dinosaurs and they are an incredibly successful class of animal; besides being maybe the most lovely and melodious. Many, many, many symbols are either historical or mythological. This, in and of itself, does not detract. I like dinosaurs and I like Perl. The only Perl swag I own is a velociraptor patch. I never even considered wanting anything before someone put that together. An onion badge…? A camel hoodie…? Nerts.
You can bark orders at others to do this, do that the way you want… it’s not going to result in anything but friction and is more likely to set others against you than gain sympathy to your view.
And “a real agenda”? This comes off as paranoia. We must market Perl, cry the JAPHs! No! You’re marketing Perl wrong, cry the JAPHs!
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The efforts to create Perl6 have improved Perl5. This is not debatable. The existential threat of Perl6 to Perl5 does not exist except, I concede, as marketing confusion outside the Perl community. The damage to Perl5's reputation is entirely self-inflicted from the crap code of the 90s-early00s dissonantly married to the high-handed refusal to take on the space PHP ate.
Nothing but tools and applications can reverse Perl's backslide or improve its reputation. JavaScript/Ruby/Python are threats to Perl5's evolving future. They are doing better because they are improving their toolchains and putting out more applications.
I personally weigh more and more often starting to bear down on
ECMAScript/ES6 because I would like to have more employment flexibility 10 years from now and this kind of serious JS will have grown considerably while Perl5 will probably not. Plus, some of the JS toolchains are becoming irresistibly attractive.
All the energy put into these silly arguments could be directed at new tools, modules, tutorials, applications, and examples of good Perl. These arguments achieve the opposite of what you want, so I say, and are detrimental to Perl5 while having no effect at all on Perl6.
Update: DERP s/personal/personally/
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Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar. Evolution of the Velociraptor. But feel free to see mustache twirling butterfly collectors behind the curtains.
(maybe it's not a cigar, but that ship sailed almost six years ago. Six, see! THEY had planned it all the time)
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"If you believe that the "Perl 6" fans do not have an agenda, you're being naive. "
That agenda is clearly seen here: kill off Perl 5 and hope Perl 6 takes off. Throw the baby out with the bath water by trying to keep up with the Jones' when Perl 5 defined what a dynamic scripting language SHOULD be.
Perl 6 was built to kill off Perl 5 from the start. "Oh .... we don't want to kill off Perl 5. Here, now YOUR logo is an extinct animal, Perl 5. But it is just a coincidence!"
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