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Re: Terminal decline?

by Enitharmon (Sexton)
on Jul 09, 2015 at 22:10 UTC ( [id://1134048]=note: print w/replies, xml ) Need Help??


in reply to Terminal decline?

Chipping in my two penn'orth on this...

The answer is probably yes, PM is in terminal decline. It isn't alone. I am or have been responsible or shared responsibility for a number of Internet forums and every single one of them has seen an exponential decay in participation. In some cases we've come to an amicable agreement that the forum has fulfilled a valuable function but that its time has been and gone and we really ought to lay it down and move on. In other cases (I'm thinking of one particular non-technical Usenet newsgroup in the .uk domain) we have noted the decline but have decided that that it still fulfils a valuable function and because thise of us left like it that way, have formed a useful network in the real world, seek help when in trouble, attend each others weddings and funerals, stay with each other when we travel around Europe. and have no appetite for That Other Place which has sucked so many of our friends out of the comfortable places on the 'net into the void, Inevitably some of us feel we have to maintain a presence in the void tyo keep in touch while others flatly refuse to go there. We like it where we are, unencumbered by advertising, pictures of kittens or the banalities of pre-pubescent celebrities. Most of use were early Usenet adopters and inevitably we're getting on in years.

I may only be a humble acolyte – actually I'm a Quaker so have no use for such tags in principle – but I have been lurking for eight years now. Well, not just lurking, I have learnt a lot for being here and it's only recently that I've made up my mind to hang around a while. I have seldom if ever sought Perl Wisdom explicitly and I haven't dared to write a node but I have judiciously used the search facility to solve problems I've encountered. As others have said, most of the best questions have already been asked and answered. But I still think PM is a cool place to spend time. I like its quirkiness, something I'd be very sad to see die.

With my Quaker hat on, I say don't rush into anything. I counsel careful, monkish reflection on what value the Monastery still has.

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Re^2: Terminal decline?
by BrowserUk (Patriarch) on Jul 10, 2015 at 18:35 UTC
    Inevitably some of us feel we have to maintain a presence in the void tyo keep in touch while others flatly refuse to go there.

    That's a depressing viewpoint. This place still sees a continuous influx of new people; but I suspect that many of them do not hang around very long.

    We like it where we are, unencumbered by advertising, pictures of kittens or the banalities of pre-pubescent celebrities.

    I concur with that opinion. (I haven't change in that since I wrote; Hope that helps -- 1 year on. a long time ago.) And very few here I think would advocate moving far towards that kind of environment.

    But informally acknowledging that "perl programming" interfaces with and cuts across a wide variety of other programming fields and technologies by explicitly allowing questions and discussions that aren't necessarily just Perl; or even Perl at all at their core -- as by the addition/renaming of an existing section to an Off-Topic section -- doesn't seem to me to be either inviting that kind of change; nor beyond the pail for the vast majority of the regular respondents here.

    Whether it alone would be enough to revive -- or even just stave off further decline -- is debatable till the cows come home; but at the very least, it would do no harm.

    And if that happened; perhaps the single greatest contribution it would make to this place is confirming that change is possible!

    As others have said, most of the best questions have already been asked and answered.

    Sorry, but I just don't accept that.

    This industry is still evolving faster than any other in history; and faster than any individual can ever hope to keep pace with.

    For example, in the last month or so, I have personally had to completely re-access the break point ratio between cpu and IO at which multi-threading can be beneficial. All thanks to the order of magnitude improvement in throughput performance of PCIe connected SSDs.

    And generally, almost no one knows how to use cloud computing properly; nor how Perl fits in (out) there -- if at all.

    I could mention a dozen other areas where things are changing fast; but many of them are beyond my fields of expertise. Eg. Amazon AWS Lambda.

    As I said: faster than any individual can hope to keep pace with; but -- were it not verboten; either explicitly or implicitly -- collectively, we could at least be able to stay aware of the possibilities.

    An OT section, where such possibilities could be freely and openly discussed, could inject new life into this place; without it descending into another twitbook we'll-sell-your-soul-in-return-for-making-you-feel-loved-by-a-zillion-strangers-you'll-never-meet-and-would-hate-if-you-did site.

    I don't accept that all the questions have been asked; or that all the answers supplied to those that have are still correct or will remain so for more than a year or two.

    And I don't accept that the guidelines and rules that were considered applicable and relevant to this place when it was founded; remain so today.

    The only things preventing this place changing is hysteresis; and blind devotion to a rose colored past. And a lack of imagination.

    I think the desire is here; it is just regularly beaten into submission by statement: "This place is not a democracy"; which is just another way of saying: my ball, my rules.


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Re^2: Terminal decline?
by chacham (Prior) on Jul 10, 2015 at 12:47 UTC

    I may only be a humble acolyte – actually I'm a Quaker so have no use for such tags in principle

    Noone has any use for the titles. They are just plain fun, along with the general rule that PM XP is just a game.

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